singe Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 (edited) They have plans to install in their newly developed stand, and have a demo installtion at Ashton Gate (not for use. Too Late to change our plans?! for the new stand?!! I am sure they will cost a fortune at the moment, and not give us much more capacity, if any. Something that had not accured, would the horizontal safety bar block your view when you had to sit down? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26141427 Edited February 12, 2014 by singe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShireBlue Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 The bar doesn't block your view when sat down. I've seen it and it's fantastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 The bar doesn't block your view when sat down. I've seen it and it's fantastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forte_Baby Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Pretty sure if the stand is expanded or when the chaddy is redone if it's successful at Bristol could be included or added at a later date Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsChris Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I'm delighted that these schemes seem to be advancing well. This sort of system could really add to the - I apologise - 'match day experience' in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShireBlue Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 The bar doesn't block your view when sat down. I've seen it and it's fantastic. Touché with that pic. However the ones that were on tv the other week (might have been Football Focus, can't remember) had a lower bar and a clearer sat-down view. Really glad a club is going forward with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pukka Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Just wait til they realise quite a few people want to stand so they charge them more..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Well done Brizzle. Dion Dublin's comments on that video on BBC website are ridiculous and appear entirely ill informed or poorly researched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Am I right in thinking that the seats in that end at Bristol (the away end) don't always have backs to them anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoytonLatics Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I am sure they will cost a fortune at the moment, and not give us much more capacity, if any. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26141427 Not sure about the cost, but I understand 1 seat will fit 1.5 people when converted to standing. So we could potentially increase a stand by half of its capacity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leshdec Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Am I right in thinking that the seats in that end at Bristol (the away end) don't always have backs to them anyway? yeah you're thinking right. Safe standing would be far better than hunching foward and walking out of the ground with a bad back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddogs Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 The safe standing is only going to be used for rugby matches if successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 (edited) Villa are now offering to trial. If it goes in at the Prem then everyone will be allowed. Be interesting to see the reaction http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26158044 Edited February 12, 2014 by singe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 The bar doesn't block your view when sat down. I've seen it and it's fantastic. Cheers, makes it clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsChris Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Well done Brizzle. Dion Dublin's comments on that video on BBC website are ridiculous and appear entirely ill informed or poorly researched. I couldn't get my head round what he was trying to say. He seemed to suggest that we won't know they work until nobody dies using them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Why on earth would anybody sit down there? The seats are there to appease health and safety. The name 'safe standing' gives a clue as to what the rails are designed to accomodate. Most of the criticisms I've seen given to safe standing are from misinformed or plain lazy people who haven't bothered to research before sniping. There is literally nothing that can be faulted which is why the only argument is based around the morality of it, which is slightly ridiculous as an argument anyway. If it can be used in other countries and other sports in our own country it says that football fans are treated as second class citizens or the underclass. Bringing it back is a no brainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laticsrblue Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 (edited) Pretty sure if the stand is expanded or when the chaddy is redone if it's successful at Bristol could be included or added at a later date Don't think the new stand can be extended, From the plans it looks like all the seats that can be put in it will be. Agreed, a block or 2 of these in the Chaddy would be great. Edited February 12, 2014 by laticsrblue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFC_Ryan Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 (edited) 99% of the people campaigning against it have not even researched the rail seat, the concept is so simple. Surges are not possible, you have a bar in front of you. Overcrowding is not possible, you have an allocated seat/rail. It will create better atmosphere and more affordable football, it will not be in every part of every ground it'll be your choice. People stand at games anyway so introducing this will make those people safer. What happened at Hillsborough was tragic but we have to move on as a country, we all know that the disaster was not solely down to the terracing. As for a trial, look around Europe. If they can safely use it then why can't we? Edited February 12, 2014 by OAFC_Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsChris Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Why on earth would anybody sit down there? The seats are there to provide flexibility for the clubs. For example if the Premier League sanctioned the use of rail seats for safe standing areas, but UEFA did not, Premier League clubs competing in Europe would be required to use these areas in their rail seating form rather than standing. I'm pretty certain that the seats can only be folding up and down with the use of a key, so it would not be the individual spectator's choice. I would add to this though that surely if the Premier League gave their approval other major leagues and therefore UEFA would follow before long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 The seats are there to provide flexibility for the clubs. For example if the Premier League sanctioned the use of rail seats for safe standing areas, but UEFA did not, Premier League clubs competing in Europe would be required to use these areas in their rail seating form rather than standing. I'm pretty certain that the seats can only be folding up and down with the use of a key, so it would not be the individual spectator's choice. I would add to this though that surely if the Premier League gave their approval other major leagues and therefore UEFA would follow before long. We're the ones in the dark ages here, UEFA and FIFA have approved it already. When them clowns at FIFA are more advanced than you, you know there's something very wrong. You make a good point though, they are multi-functional which is an improvement on standing in seating sections. In Schalke they retract standing for international matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 We're the ones in the dark ages here, UEFA and FIFA have approved it already. When them clowns at FIFA are more advanced than you, you know there's something very wrong. You make a good point though, they are multi-functional which is an improvement on standing in seating sections. In Schalke they retract standing for international matches. UEFA haven't approved for European games though have they? Hence why the German clubs put the seats down for Champions League/Europa League games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 UEFA haven't approved for European games though have they? Hence why the German clubs put the seats down for Champions League/Europa League games. This says so: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26141427 I'm pretty sure they are allowed standing in the Champions League, there's just a restriction on the number of fans allowed within standing areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handsy Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I can see the need to have a choice for European games but don't think we will be involved in the near future,so why can't we just have the rail part and have just a safe standing area with out the seat part being fitted. I was stood up all match against liverpool at home last season anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsChris Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 (edited) UEFA haven't approved for European games though have they? Hence why the German clubs put the seats down for Champions League/Europa League games. I think there's a bit of confusion here. The article says: . They are also approved for use as seats by Uefa and Fifa. That is grounds that are fitted with rail seats - such as Westfalenstadion - are UEFA approved but only when the seats are locked down, making the ground all-seater. Edit: Accidental quote. Edited February 12, 2014 by LaticsChris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Don't think the new stand can be extended, From the plans it looks like all the seats that can be put in it will be. Agreed, a block or 2 of these in the Chaddy would be great. Corney said that the stand can be extended at a later date to cover the full length of the pitch. The reason it doesn't is a cost factor as the existing flood lights would have had to have been removed. In reality however, unless we make some real progress on the pitch and need to raise the ground capacity in the future, it will never happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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