stewrat

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_11_offside_en_47383.pdf You should all know this off by hear but it appears you don't so here is the law with pretty pictures.

I thought our problems were in central midfield. Any defence will cave in if they have no cover. Both Furman and Wes were found wanting in the second half. They did not get on the ball and were obviously tired and needed subbing before Sheffield's second goal. Croft disappeared even earlier leaving Byrne totally exposed to the pace of their winger. First half Croft covered and this did not happen. Some people must be looking through strange spectacles if they think our midfield was not totally outplayed second half. IN the circumstances the defence did the best we could hope for with the exception of the keeper. His error let them back in the game whilst Kirkland was making world class saves at the other end. There should be no despair as we will not come up against a team as good as Sheffield in the league.

We always beat City. Why the excitement.

I have to say that is more boring than the cello part for Pachabel's Canon and until now I thought that was the most boring music in the world. Also you need some treble for the PA system at BP or you won't hear it.

Is not the left back Liam Irwin son of Dennis

Use 22 Players as against Mossley. Start at 6 and Play Birmingham with 1 to 11 At half time we start to play City with 12 to 22. At half time in that match we play the second half against Brum and at full time play second half against City. 3 hours continuous football for the fans and everyone is happy. City have Rochdale Road end, Birmingham the main stand paddock. Even more money made by Oldham. The extra long half times could be used to sell takeaway curries to the Brum fans from our enormous number of ethnic takeaways, and Holts beerand a kebab to the City fans.

My most vivid memory of Allan was in a freindly against Internationale. They tried 6 different players at full back to stop him and finished the game with all six still failing to stop his crosses coming in. Unfortunately their centre backs completeely outplayed our other forwards and nothing came of the crosses. He lived in digs at Les Chapman's mums house when he came at first. Everyday after training he would come home change and go out for a run for about 2 hours.

Has anyone been having trouble logging on to the site. "johnboy" has just rung me saying he appears to be blocked and so cannot even speak to mods about his problem.

Preferably by the neck. (Sorry Barry I could not resist).

I thougt handball at the time. I was at an angle where I could see that his head did not touch it and there is no way it came off his body at that pace. Also the penalty was clearly an offside. The ball is coming directly to the offside Liverpool player who stops the full back getting to the ball by his presence. He is therefore active. Both bad decisions down to the assistabnt rather than the referee. The ref could not have seen the punch from his angle, and he looked at the assistant twice before giving the penalty expecting a flag that did not come. Stewrat

ANyone managed to get a commentary from the player yet?

I was aware that his health had got worse recently and expected him to reduce his workload. His work for the club should not be underestimated. He seemed to be always around. Thos ewho regularly attended reserve games would confirm he was in attendance for almost every match. He would give out team sheets to supporters and always answer questions about the club politely and with as much openess as was possible. It will be hard to find a replacement for such a tireless worker. I hope you get better Allan and look forward to seeing you at the start of next season.

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3 for Eaves

Eaves gets a second

Sandy Wann was the hardest. I remember a game at York. Train derailed on way and I arrived in time to see the York winger make the mistake of beating the full back. Up stepped Wann who was wider then tall. His thigh muscles were wider than a prop forwards gut. He took the ball but unfortunately the wingers leg was behind it. The noise of the bone snapping was heard all round the ground. He didn't even say sorry, just looked down on him smiled and walked away. Latics were one nill up I was told, and then defended their lead against 10 men for the rest of the match (no subs in those days). Not my greatest day of football pleasure. Still it was 2 points.

According to the programme Shez and Wright are in Hunghary this week so suspending them won't have much effect.

Without there being a law the cricket authorities are starting to change. Of the MCC young cricketers to be sent to a special training course in India this winter 2 were female. Although mainly spin they had to net against proffesional male Indian fast bowlers and bowl to the likes of Ganguly. For the past 2 years the Lancashire cricket Academy has had Karen Cross as one of its students. Presumably as she cannot bat to her own bowling she has had to bowl at the lads. She plays her club cricket at Heywood in an otherwise all male league.

Owing to illness I have only seen the last three home league matches but I find it difficult to equate fact with someof your opinions on Lomax. Defensively he has been much better than I remember Eardley ever being. No more soft goals at the far post because eardley cannot head to save his life. He is quicker than Eardley and reads the game better. As to the suggestion he should overlap Liddel that is too ridiculous. Would that be in the 2 inches Liddel leaves between himself and the touch line? Would that be forgetting that he has a defensive job because Liddel is making no attempt to cover forward runs? The next match I suggest you look at what happens if Jones overlaps. Taylor comes inside to take away the full back and Allot races 40 yards to cover the vacant full back spot. Until they have time to reform Taylor plays central midfield and Jones plays wing. As soon as there is a stop in play Allot and Jones sprint to regain there original position. Perhaps when Smalley returns we can try a similar set up on the right wing but it is unlikely as Whittaker will be too far forward to cover. As to the percieved passing faults I suggest you look at how many times the Lomax lump follows a pass back to him from Liddel leaving him with littl choice but to lump or risk losing the ball in a dangerous position. At times when he has had time to pick a pass and movement up front he has found the front man with good through balls. Taylor could have scored with at least two of his crosses in the last match and O'Grady should have scored from one

Of more importance in this debate is not whether we cause global warming but whether the congestion charge will change anything. Is running more empty buses outside of peak hours not going to increase pollution. Not being a scientist I thought about this on a trip to the doctors this morning. Because the health authority seems to think Royton and Shaw are the same town I have to go from Shaw to Royton. There is no direct bus route from my house to the centre of Royton. The best available route would mean I could not have an appointment until after 10.15. The other route would mean walking some distance to a bus stop which is not an easy thing for me and having to pay because my bus pass cannot be used before 9.30. So I used my fuel efficient diesel car. On such a short journey I would get 45 M.P.G. The bus gets about 4 MPG and so must carry more passengers to be fuel efficient. After visiting the Doctor I saw 3 buses going through Royton. 1 on a service which runs every hour and goes to the hospital had 8 passengers. A single decker on a 15 minute frequency had 1 passenger. A double decker on a 15 minute frequency had no passengers. There is already research which proved that our Inter City electric trains were more polluting per passenger mile than using a car if you factored in all off peak journeys. It would be less polluting for most off peak journeys to be done by taxi than running empty buses. A greater aid to lessening pollution would be to undo all the stupid things our councils have done which increase congestion and pollution. As I have said before if the government was serious about CO2 they would take a none taxing strategy of banning the most polluting cars and setting a timetable for the reduction of emmisions from new cars. They could start by saying every new car purchased after 1st January 2010 must be capable of 50 MPG on urban cycle and yearly increase that figure until the reduction they sought has been achieved. They won't because stealth taxing has kept labour in power. If they had taken the extra money in PAYE they would not have lasted longer than 2 terms at most and may well have been voted out after 1.

Many of these one mile journeys to school are by parents whose only way to get children to school and then get to work on time is to use a car. I note you live in Warrington so you are obviously well placed to comment on things that don't concern you. Like all the green Mafia you do not consider other peoples logistical problems relevant and think all car owners are rich barstewards who deserve to be taxed. If you were really interested in the environment then you would ban the car not tax it as experience has shown that taxing it does not lead to less overall use just more tax revenue. This would also include taxi's and private hire cars as they are just as polluting per mile as a car. Now of course all those people could not fit onto your wonderful transport system as envisaged by the cretinous GMPTE. They have now had over 30 years to improve our transport system and they are still not allowed to discriminate between forms of transport and are forced to subsidise competing journeys between bus, tram, and train. If you choose to belief that after all these years they are going to grasp the nettle and take on the now mighty bus companies so we can achieve a properly integrated transport system then I would vote no just because you are voting yes. I suggest you walk to Munich (must not increase our carbon foot print) and see what a really efficient and integrated system looks like. They of course have had this system for many years and it has been kept in good order not allowed to decay like much of our system. Your acceptance of the propoganda of GMPTE means you are being paid to spout their lies or you are stupid. The real reason for the tax is not to do with transport improvement or congestion but a commitment Gordon Brown has made to the Eu to purchase the use of the European GPS. This is a very costly plan to have a system to rival the already in place and free to use American GPS system. They somehow convinced themselves that private companies would rush to pay for what they can get for free from the Americans just because it was European. Having failed to get a single private company to sign up they have forced all European countries to agee to find a way to use the system and pay for its use so it will not look the white elephant it is. Mr Brown has agreed to road pricing throughout Britain using the GPS system. Still at least it will let him know where we all are 24 hours a day.

I attended one of the propoganda events and the transport people admitted that in day time there would be less seats per hour on the metro than on the trains from Shaw which are currently every 15 minutes. Only in the evening after 6 pm would the situation improve. So when you don't pay the congestion charge you would get an improvement. The bus improvements for Shaw are very minimal. The original metro scheme was for Oldham to have its centre based on Union Street with a cultural quarter on one side and the shoppiung centre on the other witha bus station and metro station in between. The cultural centre has died a death and the bus station has been built on the other side of the shopping centre so is useless as an interchange. Moving the station to the site of the old Central station where there would be room for park and ride and sticking with trains would have been much more cost effective. When asked why they had not done this they said they would have had to buy more trains and improve the line and signalling. When asked what difference that made as they were buying trams and completely rebuil;ding the lines and signalling they admitted that that was a good alternative but the had already spent millions on work in North Manchester when they had been previousl promised the money. In point of fact this current government has announced the funding for the metro extension 4 previous times and on all occasions had reneged on the promise as soon as a local election had passed. There are over 1200 schools in Greater Manchester. Which ones get 1 yellow bus. This is a scheme by an organisation that in various guises has been promising an integrated transport system since 1970. It has singularly failed to provide one or even get the political will to start the task. AT the end we will have massive debts and a still inadequate public transport system where all the extra cash has been squandered and the bus companies will be even richer than they are now. The charges will not affect me. I have my free pass and do not have to go to work. I think that it is immoral to ask people who will not recieve the benefits of the system to pay for the people who will. We either all pay for it through council taxes or those who use it pay by their fares. I have voted no and I have only pity for people who think that shovelling the cost onto other people is good because of some belief that this will help the environment. If you really want to do that then the real way to do it is to ban all private cars in Manchester and give free public transport to all paid for out of local taxes. Now all you Yes voters, are you prepared to do that? I assume you will not be as this is only a good idea if someone else is paying. The reality is that we will all end up paying as costs will increase which will be passed on to us. Companies will move from Manchester to cities that do not have the charge. People will be put out of work. This is a policy disaster made by people who do not think out the consequences of their ideas. Most of the congestion has been caused by the very councils who now wish to take advantage of it to tax us all. In all the propoganda there is no mention of the fact that when the extra metro lines are built that futher charging zones are to be introduced on the Rochdale, Oldham Aston corridor to help pay for them or that further charges are to be introduced arounf Manchester Airport. As I said the proposals do not affect me so far but they may do then. If you want to know what it will be like on a tram from ldham in the rush hour I suggest you try to get on one as the cricket finishes at Old Trafford between 6 and 6.30. A series of trams from Altrincham will pull up which are already full and if you are lucky you just may eventually get to squeeze on one and stand crushed together until you get to Victoria and peopl;e, get out to get onto......trains.

I wish I could have been at the first 2 matches. Instead I was getting bed sores in my sick bed. What makes it worse is that I knew that these were the only games I would get to see before the middle of October. I don't think the cost is the problem but the continuous failure to do well at home. Winning 2 games on the run at home has become almost non-existent and the days when under Jimmy Frizzel you would lose once at home in a season are but a distant memory. It will be hard to get the supporters back who have seen us fail so regularly for so long at home and have now got used to other things on a Saturday. I think a free look at the extended highlights of the first 3 matches of the season might convince them but how do you get them to watch. To those who complain about the price I would say stop going to away matches. None of that money comes to Latics. You are supporting the opposition. Use that money to pay for a mate to get in at home and prove to him/her that we are now the best team in the world (probably).

Can we beleive anything in the Chron when they seem to think the Farne Islands are in Scotland? It is a good job they were not in charge of rescuing the six Oldham divers in trouble off the islands or they would have been sending the Oban lifeboat out to save them.

Glad to see that people read what they wanted to in my post. I was strongly making the point that you should read your own posts as that being self centred hooligans who cared nothing for anyone else was the impression YOU gave in your posts. I also gave good reasons why people might take up seats in a particular area without thinking what other people might want. Obviously you did not think people might want to sit there for the view so why should they consider you might think differently to them. I actually thought the statement was well worded and to fail to issue such a statement would have put the club in trouble with the police and the Football League. I was not at the ground as I said so I was not commenting on what happened but your reaction to the statement. I must admit that I would not have sat in the RRE or the Chaddy from choice as I believe both to be very poor for watching football. The Chaddy because it was never made for sitting in and the sight lines are wrong. The RRE because you are either blinded by the sun or horizontal hail. What is clear is that now the club stands to lose money when the likes of Leeds visit.