leeslover Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 How many ways can it be said that placing a 12000 limit on capacity renders all talk of expansion redundant. As I've just said, when you consider that we got more than 12000 in the cup against Huddersfield less than a couple of years ago, the 12000 limit on capacity should tell you summat. Carry on though, please do. I've counted one, so far. Sadly this way doesn't convince me that the proposition is anything more than conjecture and suposition based on assumptions that don't carry any factual weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostofcecere Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 How many ways can it be said that placing a 12000 limit on capacity renders all talk of expansion redundant. As I've just said, when you consider that we got more than 12000 in the cup against Huddersfield less than a couple of years ago, the 12000 limit on capacity should tell you summat. Carry on though, please do. Has that actually been stated Corp? (genuine question) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIKI1234 Posted November 10, 2009 Author Share Posted November 10, 2009 (edited) How many ways can it be said that placing a 12000 limit on capacity renders all talk of expansion redundant. As I've just said, when you consider that we got more than 12000 in the cup against Huddersfield less than a couple of years ago, the 12000 limit on capacity should tell you summat. Carry on though, please do. Whilst the attendence was over 12k that did include 4500 visitors. The fact was that we still couldnt sell all our tickets against our local rivals in the 4th round of the FA cup. 8200 home fans after the euphoria of beating Everton and Leeds in the same week... It was the same in the playoffs against QPR and Blackpool when we also couldnt see all our tickets for these games either Edited November 10, 2009 by NIKI1234 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Whilst the attendence was over 12k that did include 4500 visitors. The fact was that we still couldnt sell all our tickets against our local rivals in the 4th round of the FA cup. 8200 home fans after the euphoria of beating Everton and Leeds in the same week... It was the same in the playoffs against QPR and Blackpool when we also couldnt see all our tickets for these games either Its kind of besides the point... Any attendance is made up of home and away fans... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Someone I know who is well placed at the club has told me that the playing surface will be about 12feet below ground level. there's a retractable cover that will protect from flooding. Most importantly it means that the "single- storey" delivers more seats than might otherwise be imagined. Thanks Pete, it might confirm to some though the club really is sinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Has that actually been stated Corp? (genuine question) No-as is well known, the opposite has been stated. As I've said before, 'there is room for expansion,' coming at the same time as a stadium with a 12000 limit on it is proposed, and all the implications of that, is possibly the most disingenuous statement ever uttered by anybody connected with the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 (edited) Its kind of besides the point... Any attendance is made up of home and away fans... Yes-the point being that the club plans to neither enthuse any more than the 4000 hardcore supporters who'll put up with anything, nor expects to play any more big clubs with large away followings. Edited November 10, 2009 by Corporal_Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIKI1234 Posted November 10, 2009 Author Share Posted November 10, 2009 (edited) Its kind of besides the point... Any attendance is made up of home and away fans... Thats correct but bearing in mind that we offer one of the biggest away allocations in the country (more than nearly all Premier and championship clubs) that were completly sold out and yet we still cant sell out the home ends for our 3 biggest games in the past 15 years. It just shows how average the actual home gates were for these games..... Hence my belief is that 12K (with a view to expand) is still enough Edited November 10, 2009 by NIKI1234 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takemeanywhere Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 No-as is well known, the opposite has been stated. As I've said before, 'there is room for expansion,' coming at the same time as a stadium with a 12000 limit on it is proposed, and all the implications of that, is possibly the most disingenuous statement ever uttered by anybody connected with the club. It isn't a 12,000 limit if there is room for expansion. It is merely 12,000 initially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Whilst the attendence was over 12k that did include 4500 visitors. The fact was that we still couldnt sell all our tickets against our local rivals in the 4th round of the FA cup. 8200 home fans after the euphoria of beating Everton and Leeds in the same week... It was the same in the playoffs against QPR and Blackpool when we also couldnt see all our tickets for these games either So what. Should everything be based on the fact that the latent support in the town has been so demoralised by the fiasco of the last fifteen years that many still wouldn't turn out for those games? More relevant is the fact that we averaged 13000 in the season we won the old Division 2, and had 18-19000 in the ground for some games around that time. What clearer statement that the club has given up even paying lip-service to one day recapturing those days than putting a 12000 limit on capacity? Fortunately for the club, some people (although nowhere near enough) will still swallow it as ambition; some people drink Carling and enjoy listening to Oasis, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 It isn't a 12,000 limit if there is room for expansion. It is merely 12,000 initially. Never mind. As you were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takemeanywhere Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Never mind. As you were. I do mind. Please explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 I do mind. Please explain. Read the threads, there's a good man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Thats correct but bearing in mind that we offer one of the biggest away allocations in the country (more than nearly all Premier and championship clubs) that were completly sold out and yet we still cant sell out the home ends for our 3 biggest games in the past 15 years. It just shows how average the actual home gates were for these games..... Hence my belief is that 12K (with a view to expand) is still enough Fair enough but I personally think 16,000 would be a much better proposal with the Championship in mind... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIKI1234 Posted November 10, 2009 Author Share Posted November 10, 2009 Read the threads, there's a good man. But its only your threads that say this??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 I've counted one, so far. Sadly this way doesn't convince me that the proposition is anything more than conjecture and suposition based on assumptions that don't carry any factual weight. You can't be factual about reading between the lines and making predictions. Just wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 (edited) But its only your threads that say this??? Your very selective over the posts you read then... I know of at least six poster who agree... Edited November 10, 2009 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Jack Hulme's a nice enough chap and all that, but really ... what he says has very little bearing on anything. It's not as if he's ever going to be in power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 But its only your threads that say this??? Post 46 in this thread alone says all you need. Carry on believing what you want, however, those of you who want to. You're guaranteed disappointment, but there's nowt I can do about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 (edited) Post 46 in this thread alone says all you need. I agree... well without a sugar daddy turning up anyway... Edited November 10, 2009 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takemeanywhere Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 If only I could think of an example of a club that has got promotion to the Championship with a ground capacity of 12,000 or less. You know, like Scunthorpe or Blackpool. I just can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F.O.B. Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 So what. Should everything be based on the fact that the latent support in the town has been so demoralised by the fiasco of the last fifteen years that many still wouldn't turn out for those games? More relevant is the fact that we averaged 13000 in the season we won the old Division 2, and had 18-19000 in the ground for some games around that time. What clearer statement that the club has given up even paying lip-service to one day recapturing those days than putting a 12000 limit on capacity? Fortunately for the club, some people (although nowhere near enough) will still swallow it as ambition; some people drink Carling and enjoy listening to Oasis, however. In 1930 we had an attendance of over 47,500. Should we be building at least a 50,000 seater? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Someone I know who is well placed at the club has told me that the playing surface will be about 12feet below ground level. there's a retractable cover that will protect from flooding. ... when the plan is to tread water in the lower divisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 In 1930 we had an attendance of over 47,500. My uncle told me it was impossible to get to the gents, so they used to pee in each other's pockets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 If only I could think of an example of a club that has got promotion to the Championship with a ground capacity of 12,000 or less. You know, like Scunthorpe or Blackpool. I just can't. Any chance of either pushing on ? Scunthorpe 19th and heading back down more than likely... Fair play to Blackpool but I doubt glory is on its way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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