oafcprozac Posted May 17, 2011 Author Share Posted May 17, 2011 Paul it was more than a couple of thousand doors mate. There were thousands upon thousands of leaflets brother. Fair enough, i'm not sure of the geographic area they targeted - but i'm still not convinced it would cost £2k to deliver them. Through Royal Mail granted, but there's more options than them and many firms that specialise in in delivering leaflets…I mean if the club had shown a bit of common they could have been delivered with the Advertiser, one stop, Morrisons, Asda, T J Hughes et al manage to do this and MEN are media partner? Or is that too easy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forte_Baby Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 I had this debate with another Oldham fan the other. Since Sean Jarvis left we never really replaced him. Jarvis did an awful lot for the club in terms or marketing and raising its profile. The over 65 makes me laugh i spoke to the director Mr Hill about this earlier this season that alot of older fans are put off especially in mid week due to lack of transport. Could the club not send flyers to Old Folks homes also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc-latics Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 what about instead of/as well as school matches at half time which should be every week, why doesnt the club offer the chance for kids in the crowd to have a game like the schools do. give them a free latics shirt and get them playing on BP for a bit of fun with the chance to meet players afterwards. gives them something to brag about too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsLee Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 what about instead of/as well as school matches at half time which should be every week, why doesnt the club offer the chance for kids in the crowd to have a game like the schools do. give them a free latics shirt and get them playing on BP for a bit of fun with the chance to meet players afterwards. gives them something to brag about too Giving away shirts each week would be just silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc-latics Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Giving away shirts each week would be just silly. they have in the past... might even have been this season i think where they gave free shirts to primary school kids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsLee Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 they have in the past... might even have been this season i think where they gave free shirts to primary school kids but not every week, maybe free ones here and there but not every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhunteruk Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Good Post, I loved being in that little boundary blues room with my mates was good. take that away then what else do they have. But where can we put one if we brought it back ? Love the idea of kids in free with a paying adult. thats why we should give tickets to primary school kids to come because there not exactly going to go on there own with out there parents who will have to pay full admission. Give them free out to secondary school then its not going to work because they come with there mates and not come again if they have to pay. think tranmere have done this and notts county as well,and im pretty sure swindon did similar... under 12's free with adult....12-16 £3....16-18...£5..then your an adult.... biggest argument i hear from stayaways is...the cost.....the football on the pitch.....the state of the ground.....the lack of atmosphere....and the constant berrating of players...i know a good few lapsed fans and these are the gripes they have....there is nothing to tempt them back,why spend £20 on a game when you can watch a game for free in a pub and spend £20 getting leathered in the process...dont get piss wet through or chilled to the bone.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsLee Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 think tranmere have done this and notts county as well,and im pretty sure swindon did similar... under 12's free with adult....12-16 £3....16-18...£5..then your an adult.... biggest argument i hear from stayaways is...the cost.....the football on the pitch.....the state of the ground.....the lack of atmosphere....and the constant berrating of players...i know a good few lapsed fans and these are the gripes they have....there is nothing to tempt them back,why spend £20 on a game when you can watch a game for free in a pub and spend £20 getting leathered in the process...dont get piss wet through or chilled to the bone.... The Cost - Been lowered Product on the pitch - Carnt argue really. State of the ground - fair enough Berrating of players - dont sit in the main stand maybe the more attractive games against sheff united and preston could bring a few back for a game or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc-latics Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 but not every week, maybe free ones here and there but not every week. i think it was, i remember the kids walking around the ground at half time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhunteruk Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 The Cost - Been lowered Product on the pitch - Carnt argue really. State of the ground - fair enough Berrating of players - dont sit in the main stand maybe the more attractive games against sheff united and preston could bring a few back for a game or so. the more attractive games would count against as cost.... people just have to accept facts that not many people want to come and watch us anymore....end of. but the club need to actively persue encapturing the hearts n minds of kids upto under 25's,then we might have a chance. but until a new ground is there that will offer other things 24/7 as well as football there isnt much chance... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted May 18, 2011 Author Share Posted May 18, 2011 (edited) i think it was, i remember the kids walking around the ground at half time. 2nd half of 09/10, all 7 year olds in Oldham were offered a free shirt and paraded round the pitch at HT at every home game for at least half the season Edited May 18, 2011 by oafcprozac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 we wouldnt be getting 3000 if we werent in our umpteenth league one season, its quite simple. when wellens was pleading with SC to bring in another striker and we would defo go up, yet he says no no no. this is why SC, this is why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted May 18, 2011 Author Share Posted May 18, 2011 we wouldnt be getting 3000 if we werent in our umpteenth league one season, its quite simple. when wellens was pleading with SC to bring in another striker and we would defo go up, yet he says no no no. this is why SC, this is why. I had just turned 20 when we were relegated….i'm 35 in February, over-half a generation of treading water/aiming to avoid relegation makes people disillusioned and ultimately walk away. There's a feeling that shiny new thing (Stadium) will make all better, unless we get new owners i'm convinced the Status Quo will persist…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 I had just turned 20 when we were relegated….i'm 35 in February, over-half a generation of treading water/aiming to avoid relegation makes people disillusioned and ultimately walk away. There's a feeling that shiny new thing (Stadium) will make all better, unless we get new owners i'm convinced the Status Quo will persist…. I would point to the examples of Swansea, Hull, Blackpool Stoke, Bolton, in fact pretty much any side moving up the divisions in those last 15 years they tend to have all significantly redevloped their ground or got brand new stadiums. A new stadium is vital. If we go up in a 3 sided boundary park it will be a matter of time before we come back down. I would go as far to say I would rather be kicking off 2013/14 in a new stadium in league 1 rather than in a 3 sided boundary park in the championship. Also we are a far more attractive proposition for any potential owners if we are playing in a new stadium rather than the 3 sided ground we are playing in now. See the examples of Man City and Huddersfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 (edited) I would point to the examples of Swansea, Hull, Blackpool Stoke, Bolton, in fact pretty much any side moving up the divisions in those last 15 years they tend to have all significantly redevloped their ground or got brand new stadiums. A new stadium is vital. If we go up in a 3 sided boundary park it will be a matter of time before we come back down. I would go as far to say I would rather be kicking off 2013/14 in a new stadium in league 1 rather than in a 3 sided boundary park in the championship. Also we are a far more attractive proposition for any potential owners if we are playing in a new stadium rather than the 3 sided ground we are playing in now. See the examples of Man City and Huddersfield. Colchester and Darlington have bucked the trend though, what if it is simply not interested. Hudds, Southampton (although that changed this year mainly due to going into admin) MK Dons, Notts County, Bristol Rovers, Walsall, Yeovil, Bournemouth, Rotherham, Oxford, Shrewbury, Nothampton have all struggled, stagnated, made tiny progress, or took some time to make progress or went back first since redeveloping or moving to a shiny new stadium Edited May 18, 2011 by singe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted May 18, 2011 Author Share Posted May 18, 2011 I would point to the examples of Swansea, Hull, Blackpool Stoke, Bolton, in fact pretty much any side moving up the divisions in those last 15 years they tend to have all significantly redevloped their ground or got brand new stadiums. A new stadium is vital. If we go up in a 3 sided boundary park it will be a matter of time before we come back down. I would go as far to say I would rather be kicking off 2013/14 in a new stadium in league 1 rather than in a 3 sided boundary park in the championship. Also we are a far more attractive proposition for any potential owners if we are playing in a new stadium rather than the 3 sided ground we are playing in now. See the examples of Man City and Huddersfield. Doesn't matter if you have the same backward thinking administration. I've been banging the drum for years, that unless you get it right off the field before a move takes place you can't simply expect it all to fall into place once you move into your shiny new offices. You'll still have the same inadequate staff, IT department and marketing ethos….unless the club are willing to be pro-active and actually get out there en masse into the community, you simply will not attract the business to fill your new facilities and instead you'll be left with an embarrassing white elephant. The club ethos is to do everything on the cheap, that reaps its own disappointments….as for going up, you're dreaming. The ambition is the same as it has been since Ronnie Moore left - survival, with a budget to match since Shez left…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted May 18, 2011 Author Share Posted May 18, 2011 Doesn't matter if you have the same backward thinking administration. I've been banging the drum for years, that unless you get it right off the field before a move takes place you can't simply expect it all to fall into place once you move into your shiny new offices. You'll still have the same inadequate staff, IT department and marketing ethos….unless the club are willing to be pro-active and actually get out there en masse into the community, you simply will not attract the business to fill your new facilities and instead you'll be left with an embarrassing white elephant. The club ethos is to do everything on the cheap, that reaps its own disappointments….as for going up, you're dreaming. The ambition is the same as it has been since Ronnie Moore left - survival, with a budget to match since Shez left…. As a footnote for those that think "shiny new thing make all better" - bear in mind we couldn't even sell out our allocation of Player Sponsorships, or our meagre corporate facilities... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIKI1234 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Colchester and Darlington have bucked the trend though, what if it is simply not interested. Hudds, Southampton (although that changed this year mainly due to going into admin) MK Dons, Notts County, Bristol Rovers, Walsall, Yeovil, Bournemouth, Rotherham, Oxford, Shrewbury, Nothampton have all struggled, stagnated, made tiny progress, or took some time to make progress or went back first since redeveloping or moving to a shiny new stadium I agree with Colchester and Darlo but think they are the only ones, actually maybe Coventry as well. Bristol Rovers and Rotherham dont have shiny new stadiums, far from it. Notts, Walsall, Northampton and Yeovil stadiums are 20 years since redevelopments arnt they, not new shiny stadiums. If you take most of the new stadims as example then in most cases the clubs i think have seen progress compared with where they were before the stadium was built. There are a few where they may not have made progress on the pitch but they are certainly better set up off it.... Take Oxford, they average 7K this season and 6K in the confrence last season yet when they were in the championship in 98 they struggled to get 5k at home... The other you mention, Hudds, MK Dons, Shrewsbury may not have all made progress in league positions but they are in a much better position financially and each of them are battling it out at the top of there resoective divisions, add to that your chesterfield, swansea, Donnys, Stoke, Stevenage, Reading who have all been a sucesss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsgrandad Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 2nd half of 09/10, all 7 year olds in Oldham were offered a free shirt and paraded round the pitch at HT at every home game for at least half the season I had a couple of grandsons (junior season ticket holders) who missed out on that and when I asked Alan Hardy what they were doing for existing young supporters, I was told to 'watch this space'. At the end of that season I was still watching - so much for their concerns for the young supporters. As always with the Latics, they can't see what's in front of their noses. My grandsons only attended occasionally the season just finished - they complained 'we never win' and with no other entertainment on offer (I remember the facilities enjoyed by the Junior Blues when my sons were that age), it's hard to persuade them to come to BP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 I agree with Colchester and Darlo but think they are the only ones, actually maybe Coventry as well. Bristol Rovers and Rotherham dont have shiny new stadiums, far from it. Notts, Walsall, Northampton and Yeovil stadiums are 20 years since redevelopments arnt they, not new shiny stadiums. If you take most of the new stadims as example then in most cases the clubs i think have seen progress compared with where they were before the stadium was built. There are a few where they may not have made progress on the pitch but they are certainly better set up off it.... Take Oxford, they average 7K this season and 6K in the confrence last season yet when they were in the championship in 98 they struggled to get 5k at home... The other you mention, Hudds, MK Dons, Shrewsbury may not have all made progress in league positions but they are in a much better position financially and each of them are battling it out at the top of there resoective divisions, add to that your chesterfield, swansea, Donnys, Stoke, Stevenage, Reading who have all been a sucesss The point about the redvelopment is that whether it be 5,10,15 or 20 it has not led to sucess in those times. The simple fact is there are more than a few that have not made progress on the pitch. The finance side is unproven as we don;t what debt they operate at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Doesn't matter if you have the same backward thinking administration. I've been banging the drum for years, that unless you get it right off the field before a move takes place you can't simply expect it all to fall into place once you move into your shiny new offices. You'll still have the same inadequate staff, IT department and marketing ethos….unless the club are willing to be pro-active and actually get out there en masse into the community, you simply will not attract the business to fill your new facilities and instead you'll be left with an embarrassing white elephant. The club ethos is to do everything on the cheap, that reaps its own disappointments….as for going up, you're dreaming. The ambition is the same as it has been since Ronnie Moore left - survival, with a budget to match since Shez left…. All that costs money where is it coming from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 (edited) Colchester and Darlington have bucked the trend though, what if it is simply not interested. Hudds, Southampton (although that changed this year mainly due to going into admin) MK Dons, Notts County, Bristol Rovers, Walsall, Yeovil, Bournemouth, Rotherham, Oxford, Shrewbury, Nothampton have all struggled, stagnated, made tiny progress, or took some time to make progress or went back first since redeveloping or moving to a shiny new stadium Its not the be all and end all getting a new stadium you are right. But having a new ground would give the club more revenue drivers If we fluked it next season and had a really amazing season the most we can get through the gate for anyone match is 10500 their is just the 1 club shop based at the ground which is itself in a residential area so not very accessible after that you have to hope for some media exposure and sponsorship to make money. A new stadium allows the club to make more money particularly in non-footballing revenue. Once we have this we can have more money to spend on new players, marketing initiatives etc, thats the point I'm driving at, It won't garantee anything moving stadiums I know that but it will increase our chances of success will it not? Edited May 18, 2011 by GlossopLatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted May 18, 2011 Author Share Posted May 18, 2011 All that costs money where is it coming from? Pro-activity makes money. Sitting with your finger up your arse doesn't…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Pro-activity makes money. Sitting with your finger up your arse doesn't…. Depends on your job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted May 18, 2011 Author Share Posted May 18, 2011 Its not the be all and end all getting a new stadium you are right. But having a new ground would give the club more revenue drivers If we fluked it next season and had a really amazing season the most we can get through the gate for anyone match is 10500 their is just the 1 club shop based at the ground which is itself in a residential area so not very accessible after that you have to hope for some media exposure and sponsorship to make money. A new stadium allows the club to make more money particularly in non-footballing revenue. Once we have this we can have more money to spend on new players, marketing initiatives etc, thats the point I'm driving at, It won't garantee anything moving stadiums I know that but it will increase our chances of success will it not? You've just said to do this costs money, so where's the club going to get the staff to sell all these new packages? They can't even sell the minute range of packages they offer now or employ staff to make the club a fighting chance of being a viable going concern to investors. It's a vicious circle. The club pleads poverty, but will do little to help itself, preferring to settle for mediocrity or excuses as to why things cannot change. Any staff member with new ideas, soon moves on be they marketing directors, visionary managers, physios, coaches or groundsmen - leaving behind the same old faces, making the same mistakes. I know it sounds negative and I know many of the staff give their all for their meagre wages but the club simply will not progress until we get new vision into the club to move it forward. The new stadium will help, but without a real desire to make the club successful and plenty of money, the crowds even in a new ground will be similar to what we have seen for the last 3 or 4 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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