Lags Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 verlin, mecca and Zen offce how much finance do they equate to? lets have some guesses........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 To be fair the Trust seems to not know 100% anything at any given moment... Its always I will have to check this, I will get back to you on that and then nothing for long periods. A trust director posted yesterday to say Barrys role was never about representing fans and was just about having someone keeping an eye on the club. Which was news to me. The only thing worse than Barry not representing the fans properly is the Trust directors and membership not holding him to account for it. What has gone on is nothing new but we all sat back and let it carry on. Some people offered up blanket defences while the obvious was going on. Hopefully a new dawn awaits... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 verlin, mecca and Zen offce how much finance do they equate to? lets have some guesses........ I doubt very much... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 To be fair the Trust seems to not know 100% anything at any given moment... Its always I will have to check this, I will get back to you on that and then nothing for long periods. A trust director posted yesterday to say Barrys role was never about representing fans and was just about having someone keeping an eye on the club. Which was news to me. The only thing worse than Barry not representing the fans properly is the Trust directors and membership not holding him to account for it. What has gone on is nothing new but we all sat back and let it carry on. Some people offered up blanket defences while the obvious was going on. Hopefully a new dawn awaits... Another example that the whole committee is slated.....yet I've been accused of claiming that when it's not been happening. Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 I doubt very much... Correct............so was it finance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Correct............so was it finance? Barrys said so... Would leave me to think it was other sponsors... If only we had someone on the board we could ask... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) Another example that the whole committee is slated.....yet I've been accused of claiming that when it's not been happening. Really? I dont totally understand your point... My point was to say you can't just blame Barry... I just feel the ones who don't like what he has done or where the trust finds itself, have to take some responsibility for the inaction. Edited January 11, 2015 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Barrys said so... Would leave me to think it was other sponsors... If only we had someone on the board we could ask... And that only person could tell you only what he's allowed..............................ever, whoever!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 I dont totally understand your point... BOO, I upboated you saying " I totally understand your point" now edited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 BOO, I upboated you saying " I totally understand your point" now edited. Sorry, honest mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) And that only person could tell you only what he's allowed..............................ever, whoever!! Well its not so much of a case of being "allowed"... But I know what your point is... Commercial sensitivities etc... I think your missing something lags... The hundreds if not thousands of ignored questions on here... Edited January 11, 2015 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Well its not so much of a case of being "allowed"... But I know what your point is... Commercial sensitivities etc... And this will happen to the next rep and the next rep and the next rep........ and each will be accused of becoming SC yes man.....losing trust.......to being a Blatter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 And this will happen to the next rep and the next rep and the next rep........ and each will be accused of becoming SC yes man.....losing trust.......to being a Blatter. Nah bollocks it will... I have asked questions on here which where flat ignored... Others have asked question on here which where flat ignored.... If I asked that question and got the reply "The sponsor doesn't want us to disclose who it is" then I would accept that answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30762958 So it wasn't abuse... It wasn't death threats... It wasn't rape threats... It wasn't mod rule... It was MONEY.... ? One thing I could of guaranteed on Monday was Sponsors pulling out. Jesus wept.... If Barry didn't think any sponsors were going to pull out after our intentions to sign a convicted rapist were announced then he is an idiot. Sponsors threatened to pull out of Sheff U when they said they would let Evans train with them, nevermind sign. It wasn't just the sponsors too, it would have taken less than 20 fans to not go for the length of his supposed 2.5 year deal for the club to lose more money than most of our sponsors put in. He has no place ever running anything again. I would not go to a piss up in a whiskey distillery if I found out he was running it as it wouldn't work. Quite simply the Trust and it's illusion of democracy has left us in a place where an idiot like that not only ran our £300k, or was it £600k but for a time also ran the football club. For one of his re-elections about 6 people voted for him. More than that walked out when the idiots in the Main Stand started singing "One Ched Evans". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) If Barry didn't think any sponsors were going to pull out after our intentions to sign a convicted rapist were announced then he is an idiot. "We did not anticipate the amount of sponsorship pressure" http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30762958 Edited January 11, 2015 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) And this will happen to the next rep and the next rep and the next rep........ and each will be accused of becoming SC yes man.....losing trust.......to being a Blatter. While somebody in that position is there to be shot at, I think people understand that some things can't always get stated openly. But communication is the key. And communication on how fans benefit from Barry's contribution is, frankly, abysmal. Where's the monthly / quarterly Q&A or update for fans? Where's the "we asked for / we got" for fans? There was an element of consultation around scrapping the youth set up. But that is, honestly, the only thing I can recall. Where's any evidence that fans have benefited from the role at all? If Barry's done stuff for "us" what is it? Maybe he's been influential in admission prices being unchanged for a few years. But it's not obvious. The club have wheeled him out to give us bad news about season ticket rises, they've allowed him to slag off stay always (who he indirectly still represents) and, if I've understood sentiment correctly, he's failed to communicate the very strong feelings of the majority of supporters over the potential signing of Evans. There is a line his replacement will need to walk carefully. Being a full time employee of the club is well over that line. Edited January 11, 2015 by opinions4u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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oafc0000 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) I'd still be interested in OWTB members guesses to the amount in £'s Mecca, Zen and verlins sponsorships amounted too.... place ya bids.....and to make it more interesting the nearest wins £10 of strike it lucky tickets next home match, courtesy from yours truly. Cut to the chase... Is your suggestion it wasn't finances ? I doubt any fan believes any of those companies where paving the streets with gold for us... Edited January 11, 2015 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 OMBC. £750k IIRC. There's the big answer. Not sponsorship. Removal of grant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 While somebody in that position is there to be shot at, I think people understand that some things can't always get stated openly. But communication is the key. And communication on how fans benefit from Barry's contribution is, frankly, abysmal. Where's the monthly / quarterly Q&A or update for fans? Where's the "we asked for / we got" for fans? There was an element of consultation around scrapping the youth set up. But that is, honestly, the only thing I can recall. Where's any evidence that fans have benefited from the role at all? If Barry's done stuff for "us" what is it? Maybe he's been influential in admission prices being unchanged for a few years. But it's not obvious. The club have wheeled him out to give us bad news about season ticket rises, they've allowed him to slag off stay always (who he indirectly still represents) and, if I've understood sentiment correctly, he's failed to communicate the very strong feelings of the majority of supporters over the potential signing of Evans. There is a line his replacement will need to walk carefully. Being a full time employee of the club is well over that line. I don't know most of what you ask....I am just stating that any rep will end up like Barry.......he just did it too long. Lost trust/faith and got to the point he did with the rank and file. If you cant see that fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pukka Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 'It came down purely to finances' Not threats then? Just when you thought "thats it, you can't be annoyed more by it" we are lead story on the BBC football website. Due Dilligence!! More buzzwords to spout. Mob Rule Due Dilligence Any more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 OMBC. £750k IIRC. There's the big answer. Not sponsorship. Removal of grant. No idea what the councils threat was...not in the know, but we know OMBC leader got involved, he himself quoted his opinion in the press. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) I don't know most of what you ask....I am just stating that any rep will end up like Barry.......he just did it too long. Lost trust/faith and got to the point he did with the rank and file. If you cant see that fair enough. It wasn't JUST he did it too long... But you do have a point... One of the inherent problems is he did it for 12 :censored:ing years!!! Back in the day when the masses where saying bollocks like only Barry can do the job, SC won't accept anyone else and so on... I was screaming it was bollocks and the trust should set a maximum period the fan on the board can sit. Four years makes sense to me... We should of had a number of reps by now... Instead of this mickey mouse dictatorship... The leader of the trust should also not be the person who sits on the board. Something else I have been saying for years. Its too much work to do both roles. The trust directors should appoint the chairman... The fans / members should elect the Rep on the board... Simple as that... Three overdue reforms... Edited January 11, 2015 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 'It came down purely to finances' Not threats then? Just when you thought "thats it, you can't be annoyed more by it" we are lead story on the BBC football website. Due Dilligence!! More buzzwords to spout. Mob Rule Due Dilligence Any more? :censored: da Police.We still want Barry Out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddogs Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Sure I read Verlin did some repair work so they got naming rights in return for the Rocky.Zen Office £10 000 a season and Mecca £2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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