HarryBosch Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 He might have to miss a couple of games at the end as length of loans is limited. :censored:. We might fall just short of the playoffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayItLivo Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 He was one of our better players in his last Oldham appearance against Millwall in which we played decent. Everyone wanted to sign him after that He didn't play against Millwall. The midfield was Jones, Kelly, Winchester, Poleon. Doncaster had terminated his contract, before that game, so his loan with us had ended. Think he signed for Shrews a couple of days later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 He didn't play against Millwall. The midfield was Jones, Kelly, Winchester, Poleon. Doncaster had terminated his contract, before that game, so his loan with us had ended. Think he signed for Shrews a couple of days later. Don't be daft, he played a blinder................................well some were blind. At Shrews he gave the ball away about the half way line and had lead boots trying to track back. Winny had scored and Wellens was still 10 yards higher up the pitch. Good when he was here at first. Legs gone now and not what we need in this dog fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2uptop Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Don't be daft, he played a blinder................................well some were blind. At Shrews he gave the ball away about the half way line and had lead boots trying to track back. Winny had scored and Wellens was still 10 yards higher up the pitch. Good when he was here at first. Legs gone now and not what we need in this dog fight. It was Colchester not millwall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) Don't be daft, he played a blinder................................well some were blind. At Shrews he gave the ball away about the half way line and had lead boots trying to track back. Winny had scored and Wellens was still 10 yards higher up the pitch. Good when he was here at first. Legs gone now and not what we need in this dog fight. Played well for us against Colchester & played well for Shrews gainst Burton. Played poorly for 45 minutes against Oldham & he's past it? Of course his legs are slower he's 36/37 has bad knees and was never that quick to begin with. I'd wager he will have more good games than bad games for Shrewsbury this season. Something we have not been able to say about Winchester's performances this season. It amazes me how some on here still judge footballers based on 1,2 or 3 games. How many times do you have to be proved wrong? Edited January 28, 2016 by palmer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Played well for us against Colchester & played well for Shrews gainst Burton. Played poorly for 45 minutes against Oldham & he's past it? Of course his legs are slower he's 36/37 has bad knees and was never that quick to begin with. I'd wager he will have more good games than bad games for Shrewsbury this season. Something we have not been able to say about Winchester's performances this season. It amazes me how some on here still judge footballers based on 1,2 or 3 games. How many times do you have to be proved wrong? Have you seen how well Doncaster have done since they dropped him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Have you seen how well Doncaster have done since they dropped him? Are you blaming Wellens for their poor form? I'm sure it had :censored: all to do with their managerial change did it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Played well for us against Colchester & played well for Shrews gainst Burton. Played poorly for 45 minutes against Oldham & he's past it? Of course his legs are slower he's 36/37 has bad knees and was never that quick to begin with. I'd wager he will have more good games than bad games for Shrewsbury this season. Something we have not been able to say about Winchester's performances this season. It amazes me how some on here still judge footballers based on 1,2 or 3 games. How many times do you have to be proved wrong? I have known managers judge players on one game when scouting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) I have known managers judge players on one game when scouting.Yes youve told me before but do any of them post on here!? Judging from past player assessments on here I'd wager none of the current posters on here are scouts would you? You as a scout must know that Wellens although older will do a decent job in league 1. Edited January 28, 2016 by palmer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Wellens could still play this year by basically standing in the centre circle and picking passes aslong as he has young legs around him who could do his running for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Yes youve told me before but do any of them post on here!? Judging from past player assessments on here I'd wager none of the current posters on here are scouts would you? You as a scout must know that Wellens although older will do a decent job in league 1. He will do a job, I'll put you on the spot now, you've seen Cassidy more than 3 times, and Palmer perhaps only once..whats your judgement of them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 I have known managers judge players on one game when scouting. I've often thought that you can judge a player after one game. Even if they're having a bad game, you can tell if there's a decent player there. Likewise, if someone stumbles their way through their debut and ends up playing OK, you know they'll get found out pretty sharpish, ala Bradley Diallo... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Could you imagine if Shez had been written off when he got here because his 'legs had gone'? It's laughable! An Oldham legend & probably the best midfielder weve had outside the 'glory years'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) I've often thought that you can judge a player after one game. Even if they're having a bad game, you can tell if there's a decent player there. Likewise, if someone stumbles their way through their debut and ends up playing OK, you know they'll get found out pretty sharpish, ala Bradley Diallo... I remember one well known lower league manager who went to watch a player in non league and came away after an hour saying "there's nothing here for me"..a month later a player on the opposing team he'd not noticed signed for a Championship club and went on to have a good career..Even veteran professionals can't get them all right. Edited January 28, 2016 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) He will do a job, I'll put you on the spot now, you've seen Cassidy more than 3 times, and Palmer perhaps only once..whats your judgement of them?I think Cassidy is playing the wrong role. I don't think he is a target man & I don't think he played that role when he was banging them in for the trannies. If he played more on the shoulder ala Murphy he would have more success. You don't turn :censored:e over night but he lacks confidence & I feel his game has been effected by being pigeon holed due to his size and build. Having said that he needs to be stronger & less afraid of getting hurt. Palmer looked quality against Bury, very tidy footballer and never gave the ball away once I don't think. More importantly for us he looked to move the ball forward which will help us. Shez has said he is playing out of position. I'd need to see more games to see if he is strong enough to play central but certainly looks to have the brains. Edited January 28, 2016 by palmer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 I think Cassidy is playing the wrong role. I don't think he is a target man & I don't think he played that role when he was banging them in for the trannies. If he played more on the shoulder ala Murphy he would have more success. You don't turn :censored:e over night but he lacks confidence & I feel his game has been effected by being pigeon holed due to his size and build. Having said that he needs to be stringer & less afraid of getting hurt. Palmer looked quality against Bury, very tidy footballer and never gave the ball away once I don't think. More importantly for us he looked to move the ball forward which will help us. Shez has said he is playing out of position. I'd need to see more games to see if he is strong enough to play central but certainly looks to have the brains. They are fair assessments, I would just add Cassidy's injury problems, which he may still be recovering from. It's a pity there's no reserve team in which he could have worked his way back to form. I agree about Palmer, a breath of fresh air, the sort of player you hope will go far in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Could you imagine if Shez had been written off when he got here because his 'legs had gone'? It's laughable! An Oldham legend & probably the best midfielder weve had outside the 'glory years'. Shez was class though, Wellens against a piss poor Colchester was playing for a contract, he did okay but didn't he lose possession for their goal? Can't see how he would improve us now and would even be a liability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshgaz Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 I think Cassidy is playing the wrong role. I don't think he is a target man & I don't think he played that role when he was banging them in for the trannies. If he played more on the shoulder ala Murphy he would have more success. You don't turn :censored:e over night but he lacks confidence & I feel his game has been effected by being pigeon holed due to his size and build. Having said that he needs to be stronger & less afraid of getting hurt. Palmer looked quality against Bury, very tidy footballer and never gave the ball away once I don't think. More importantly for us he looked to move the ball forward which will help us. Shez has said he is playing out of position. I'd need to see more games to see if he is strong enough to play central but certainly looks to have the brains. I remember him as an on the shoulder striker at Tranmere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) Shez was class though, Wellens against a piss poor Colchester was playing for a contract, he did okay but didn't he lose possession for their goal? Can't see how he would improve us now and would even be a liability.Shez was class but Bolton released him & he was playing non league for Doncaster because his 'legs had gone' We offered Wellens a contract & so did Shrews so he must have done something right? Cornell had the honour of gifting Colchester their goal not Wellens? What have you seen that has made you think he would be a liability? In midfield he needs movement around him especially at 36. Micky Mellon has said Shrewsbury had none. This may account or at least explain a poor 45 mins against us. At 36 he can't do it on his own but he is by no means a liability. Edited January 28, 2016 by palmer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMAX Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Are you blaming Wellens for their poor form? I'm sure it had :censored: all to do with their managerial change did it? The day young Ferguson got the job at Donny was the death knell for Wellens, he was one of a few United players to stand up to Slur Alex in public (Hotel dining room as Red nose was sat with some directors) and ask him why he was leaving him out of the side...few days later Wellens was at Blackpool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nonaenever Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 At 36 he can't do it on his own but he is by no means a liability. I don't think people are saying he would be a liability - BUT he's 36 - wages would be high - a high risk of injury at that age - we're skint - the money is best invested elsewhere - Palmer has been a revelation - trust Shez to invest - Wellens was a Dunn 'panic move' in essence. I loved Wellens 10 years ago - and still admire him but he's not for us at this moment in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 I was replying to to someone who called him a liability 4 posts back... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scapegoat Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Think that Wellens could have done the Sheridan type role for us - but being fair, Sheridan was a better player in his pomp that Wellens was therefore perhaps he would have been less successful. In my opinion, the player that could have played that role and maybe meant we were now 14th would have been Dunn. If another manager had been brought it with experience, perhaps giving Dunn a coaching role alongside for the isn't have seen Dunn do a Sheridan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Played well for us against Colchester & played well for Shrews gainst Burton. Played poorly for 45 minutes against Oldham & he's past it? Of course his legs are slower he's 36/37 has bad knees and was never that quick to begin with. I'd wager he will have more good games than bad games for Shrewsbury this season. Something we have not been able to say about Winchester's performances this season. It amazes me how some on here still judge footballers based on 1,2 or 3 games. How many times do you have to be proved wrong? Amazed or not, it's my opinion. Not what we need in this dog fight. Lets see what Ritchie does during his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Could you imagine if Shez had been written off when he got here because his 'legs had gone'? It's laughable! An Oldham legend & probably the best midfielder weve had outside the 'glory years'. It amazes me how some people use a player who's class was top level and liken them to a second level player. Absolutely no comparison between the two players. Stick to your opinion Wellens can still do a job, but come on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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