leeslover Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Wasn't he the only candidate out of the lot who actually lived in Oldham and sent his kids to the schools. How anyone in a working class town like Oldham can vote Tory is beyond me. If you voted UKIP you are simply a racist. And if you vote for anyone else then you really do enjoy wasting your votes don't you. Sort of made up everyone's mind for them there then, haven't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whittles left foot Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Slightly surprised at the lack of congratulations towards McMahon, For someone who has nearly a 1000 posts I am surprised that you are surprised-there aren't many well wishers on here anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Said a supporter of the opposition. I voted Tory and happy to say so, and that it is beyond you why, is why you voted Labour I know why people vote Tory but its incredibly dumb.... They hate anyone from a place like Oldham... You are literally just a pleb to them.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Sort of made up everyone's mind for them there then, haven't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Apparently councils such as Oldham and Rochdale will be worst hit by Osborne's localised devolution schemes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 as a taxpayer the tipping point was the labour treasury saying there's no money left an the last thing we need right now is an appeaser like that idiot corbyn as half of the world is in turmoil every human being wants to better themselves but labour want us all to be the same The continuation of a historical tradition of leaving humorous notes to their successor dating back many years. In 1964 Reginald Maudling, outgoing Tory chancellor in 1964, left a message for his Labour successor, "Sorry old cock, to leave it in this shape," There are other cases of this of 'friends amongst enemies' kind of thing. What was actually wrong was David Laws the incoming Chief Secretary to the Treasury leaking the note which showed the complete lack of historical and political awareness of the Liberal Democrats and the way the right wing press leaped upon the complete non-story. Why aren't the press reporting that since 2010 a growing economy has been converted to a shrinking one that has seen more borrowing than under all the previous Labour governments combined which is a far more significant story than a bloody note left in jest. As for 'an appeaser like that idiot Corbyn', I disagree with a lot of his political views however 'half of the world is in turmoil' due to the misinformed history ignoring neocon belief that you can bomb your way to peace which has as much credibility as :censored:ing for virginity. And as for 'every human being wants to better themselves but Labour want us all to be the same' - Nope, can't disagree with that one, is that really so bad? I'd happily live in a more equal world, something that hasn't been tried since caveman times. Maybe if things were more equal then half the world wouldn't be 'in turmoil'? Just a thought. As for McMahon, I left Oldham a long time ago, the Oldham that built a massive swimming pool just short of Olympic length ruling them out of hosting any future student, school, or other competitive swimming event that may have brought a bit of kudos or investment in to the town, a town that shunned its own market whilst being jealous of Bury's. A town that let its cinemas close, turned down Ikea, M&S let the Tubular bandage leave and historically didn't build a post-industrial-decline future for itself. The only time there has been a bit of an upswing has been under McMahon and even that isn't good enough for some people as he hasn't built the equivalent of the Hanging Gardens of Babylon or discovered exactly how to turn the over abundance of vitriol and bitterness into gold. So good luck to him moving to the festering cesspit of Westminster politics. David Blunkett who had previously done wonders for Sheffield trod a similar path, moving from high office in his city to the national stage and was frustrated by not being able to do more for the town as an MP than council leader, let's hope that McMahon doesn't have a similar tale to tell in 20 years and more importantly that his successor is able to continue on the modest steps he has made and continue the important steps that will improve the town of Oldham for all of its occupants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) Oldham pool is 33 meters long... Olympic Length is 50 meters.... Oldham pool has hosted loads of competitions hasn't it. I often hear this said about Oldham swimming pool but it must be an urban legend ? http://www.swimming.org/poolfinder/pools/1002577/oldham/sports-centre?back=OL83SR|1| Edited December 8, 2015 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Wasn't he the only candidate out of the lot who actually lived in Oldham and sent his kids to the schools. How anyone in a working class town like Oldham can vote Tory is beyond me. If you voted UKIP you are simply a racist. And if you vote for anyone else then you really do enjoy wasting your votes don't you. Bordering on intolerant there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Bordering on intolerant there. I am pretty intolerant of racists to be honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostofcecere Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Wasn't he the only candidate out of the lot who actually lived in Oldham and sent his kids to the schools. How anyone in a working class town like Oldham can vote Tory is beyond me. If you voted UKIP you are simply a racist. And if you vote for anyone else then you really do enjoy wasting your votes don't you. Possibly the one and only time I will agree with everything 0000 says? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) How anyone in a working class town like Oldham can vote Tory is beyond me. A personal tax allowance of £10600 and rising as opposed to the £6500 it was under Labour might be one reason....? How any basic rate tax payer can vote Labour is beyond me. While an extra 5p, or however many pence, in the pound might piss the wealthy and the high earners off it doesn't really affect their standard of living. It affects the standard of living of lower earners enormously. Lower earners that the Labour Party is supposed to represent first & foremost above anybody else. And blindly voting them back in over & over in towns like Oldham means Meacher never had to lift a finger to help improve the town - they'd vote him back in anyway. I was in Liverpool the other day and it always strikes me there too that, despite blind loyal support for generations Labour did :censored: all for them either during their 13 years in power. Hopefully McMahon can break the mould and be worthy of his job for life. Edited December 8, 2015 by HarryBosch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 A personal tax allowance of £10600 and rising as opposed to the £6500 it was under Labour might be one reason....? Which was a Lib Dem policy forced upon the Tories.... They have had the sense to stick with it... I see your not pointing out all the cuts to services and in work benefits that dwaf the tax allowance give away.... People are much worse off in a Town like Oldham. Fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 A personal tax allowance of £10600 and rising as opposed to the £6500 it was under Labour might be one reason....? How any basic rate tax payer can vote Labour is beyond me. While an extra 5p, or however many pence, in the pound might piss the wealthy and the high earners off it doesn't really affect their standard of living. It affects the standard of living of lower earners enormously. Lower earners that the Labour Party is supposed to represent first & foremost above anybody else. And blindly voting them back in over & over in towns like Oldham means Meacher never had to lift a finger to help improve the town - they'd vote him back in anyway. I was in Liverpool the other day and it always strikes me there too that, despite blind loyal support for generations Labour did :censored: all for them either during their 13 years in power. Hopefully McMahon can break the mould and be worthy of his job for life. I notice the order of your points. A lot of my friends vote Tory and most of them make no bones about it-it is to get more money from their earnings into their pockets! If that is your main criteria then so be it, you arent going to change. Whether it is actually true or not is another matter, but they are spoon fed rubbish from the newspapers and do not look at matters with a critical eye. They have no inclination to consider any alternative economic plan because it doesnt concern them. It is nothing but snobbery. Get close to being middle class and 'comfortable' and vote Tory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Which was a Lib Dem policy forced upon the Tories.... They have had the sense to stick with it... I see your not pointing out all the cuts to services and in work benefits that dwaf the tax allowance give away.... People are much worse off in a Town like Oldham. Fact. I don't seem to be nor do friends or family. You be a good lad and keeping thinking what you're told to though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I notice the order of your points. A lot of my friends vote Tory and most of them make no bones about it-it is to get more money from their earnings into their pockets! If that is your main criteria then so be it, you arent going to change. Whether it is actually true or not is another matter, but they are spoon fed rubbish from the newspapers and do not look at matters with a critical eye. They have no inclination to consider any alternative economic plan because it doesnt concern them. It is nothing but snobbery. Get close to being middle class and 'comfortable' and vote Tory. Jim McMahon wants "working class kids to become middle class adults"..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 A lot of my friends vote Tory and most of them make no bones about it-it is to get more money from their earnings into their pockets! A lot of my friends & family vote Labour and most of them make no bones about it - it is to get more money from mine & your earnings into their pockets! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I don't seem to be nor do friends or family Well done for thinking as far as your front door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Which was a Lib Dem policy forced upon the Tories.... They have had the sense to stick with it... I see your not pointing out all the cuts to services and in work benefits that dwaf the tax allowance give away.... People are much worse off in a Town like Oldham. Fact. That policy of increasing the personal allowance was not at a great cost, since in-work benefits were cut accordingly! The papers made it out to be a giveaway! The poor are certainly getting poorer and that trend will continue! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 That policy of increasing the personal allowance was not at a great cost, since in-work benefits were cut accordingly! The papers made it out to be a giveaway! The poor are certainly getting poorer and that trend will continue! No it was total smoke and mirrors.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Jim McMahon wants "working class kids to become middle class adults"..... And ? I come from a working class family and by any definition (old or new) I am now middle class. I vote Labour, I would vote to pay more taxes, I would vote for this country not to be so :censored:ing selfish and self serving. I suppose thats why I don't vote Tory though.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 And ? I come from a working class family and by any definition (old or new) I am now middle class. I vote Labour, I would vote to pay more taxes, It sounds like you could afford to. Many people couldn't... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Jim McMahon wants "working class kids to become middle class adults"..... There is nothing wrong with that ambition. In fact I want my children to do as well as they possibly can (dont we all) but if I ever catch either of them looking down on their school friends or ex teammates then I will be very dissappointed. You seem to be thinking that having ambition negates any socialist principles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) It sounds like you could afford to. Many people couldn't... I could and I would... And many people who are as luckly as me to earn such sums could.... But they generally vote Tory as the are selfish :censored:s. Edited December 8, 2015 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 There is nothing wrong with that ambition. In fact I want my children to do as well as they possibly can (dont we all) but if I ever catch either of them looking down on their school friends or ex teammates then I will be very dissappointed. You seem to be thinking that having ambition negates any socialist principles This ^ Don't pull up the ladder behind you.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 And ? I come from a working class family and by any definition (old or new) I am now middle class. I vote Labour, I would vote to pay more taxes, I would vote for this country not to be so :censored:ing selfish and self serving. I suppose thats why I don't vote Tory though.... I am not middle class and never will be. Can we cease hating the Tories for a while and go back to simply hating the Scum at Old Trafford? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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