Football hooliganism

[Kingofdikebab]

i think your inablity not to personally insult me highlights the fact that your brain is slow and therefore you should not go around assuring people of things that most normal people accept may happen.

 

With a razor sharp statement like that I think I'll retire.

 

 

KOTK

[slurms mckenzie]

Fan's fury!

Jan 29 2008 by Andrew Hirst, Huddersfield Daily Examiner

 

 

FANS’ FURY!

 

A HUDDERSFIELD Town fan has accused police of heavy-handed tactics after his team’s FA Cup victory at Oldham.

 

John McLaren also says police should have stopped Oldham supporters from reaching Town fans in the car park at the Boundary Park ground on Saturday after Town knocked Oldham Athletic out of the cup by beating them 1-0.

 

The 39-year-old engineer from Waterloo was at the game with son Daniel, aged 12, and his friends, brothers Ryan and Jason Oakes – who are both in their early teens – along with one of John’s friends, Andrew Goody.

 

John said: “As soon as we came out of the ground after the game we could see the Oldham fans in the car park coming towards us.

 

“I told the kids to stay close as I could sense trouble.’’

 

But he said the police were aggressive towards Town fans, forcing them on to a double-decker bus to take them to the station – even though some had come in cars.

 

John said: “They were pushing Town fans around. I told them we were in a car and had to show them my car keys. Even then an officer insisted on going to the car with us and warned me that if I didn’t have a car I’d be locked up.”

 

John said he saw an Oldham fan throw a punch at the Town fans, which led to a charge by police horses. At least one supporter was knocked over in the melee.

 

“They didn’t care about Town fans at all,” said John.

 

He added that said some Oldham fans were throwing missiles at Town supporters from a nearby building.

 

Greater Manchester Police failed to provide a comment about the allegations.

 

What a biased one sided load of drivel.

[dewsburyblue]

What kind of stupid comment is that, if people don't take there kids then there will be no future fans for the club. Also why should people stay away just because the idiots amongst us want to fight.

 

Take it you have no kids then, i would even hazard a guess that your not even out of school yet. That has got to be one of the most stupid post's i have ever seen.

 

Why should the normal law abiding amongst us have to be caught up in the mindless violence, when all they have come for is to watch a football game with there children.

well said amo quite a stupid comment or was he one of the hoolies ?

[Forte_Baby]

is this John McClaren otherwise known as polish hippy.

[boundaryblue80]

Highly likely.....hahaha.....absolutely delighted if all that in the article was actually true about GMP. Which I doubt. But if it is, then they'll know partly what it's like to be treated like dirt which is what the Yarksheer coppers have been doing to us for years. I'll never forgive them :censored:ers for arresting Chubb and prosecuting him (sure many will know who I mean) in our Dowie playoff season, causing him to miss the playoffs and lose his job. Broke the guys heart....Chubb without a single drink is loud and slurs his words (ok, he'd had a few but he was no different to how he always was) but they picked on a defenceless old man and started the beginning of the end for him.

 

RIP Chubb! Never forgotten!

Edited January 31, 2008 by boundaryblue80

[thelaticsfan]

they do spoil it for the average supporter, my 3 11 year old cousins go to matches and i would be really upset if they have to see 2 groups of men kicking off,

 

its basically behaviour what you see from these kids in hoods hanging around shop corners, just want to fight other groups to make them look "hard"

 

any hooligans reading this, are you "hard when you scare the c**p out of little kids who arer innocent bystanders?

 

what big men you must be

[maddog]

they do spoil it for the average supporter, my 3 11 year old cousins go to matches and i would be really upset if they have to see 2 groups of men kicking off,

 

its basically behaviour what you see from these kids in hoods hanging around shop corners, just want to fight other groups to make them look "hard"

 

any hooligans reading this, are you "hard when you scare the c**p out of little kids who arer innocent bystanders?

 

what big men you must be

My 10 year old nephew was surrounded by big blokes kicking lumps out of each other on Saturday. He has never seen anything like that before, and was so shaken up by it, he didn't want to come on Tuesday. He has a season ticket and has had for 3 seasons.

 

It's all well and good saying blah blah they deserved it..... blah blah they started it....... but it will drive more young fans out of the club if it becomes any more than a one-off.

[Matt]

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[Inspiral_Carpet]

What kind of stupid comment is that, if people don't take there kids then there will be no future fans for the club. Also why should people stay away just because the idiots amongst us want to fight.

 

Take it you have no kids then, i would even hazard a guess that your not even out of school yet. That has got to be one of the most stupid post's i have ever seen.

 

Why should the normal law abiding amongst us have to be caught up in the mindless violence, when all they have come for is to watch a football game with there children.

 

Agree entirely with this and later comments from maddog and others.

 

My lads were really shaken by some disgraceful scenes in the queue for pies at Everton with a couple of Latics fans punching each other as they tried to get served. I thought that they had forgotten about it but when we were watching the goals from the Carlisle game last night, my eldest mentioned it again and said it was still worrying him.

[Guest oa_exile]

Agree entirely with this and later comments from maddog and others.

 

My lads were really shaken by some disgraceful scenes in the queue for pies at Everton with a couple of Latics fans punching each other as they tried to get served. I thought that they had forgotten about it but when we were watching the goals from the Carlisle game last night, my eldest mentioned it again and said it was still worrying him.

 

That is not good what i am reading here , I remember myself seeing some very ugly scenes at BP when i was a young kid.

I hope the club have read this thread and take stock of the decent posts by the fans ! .........worrying times when supporters are worried about the safety of their kids.

To be honest I have not brought my seven year old son to BP yet , one of the reasons i this.

[rudemedic]

This is getting to be a problem if some potential life-long fans of Oldham (I'd class the children of any regular poster on here as such) are unwilling to go to Boundary Park or any Oldham game due to the actions of our 'fans' then this is a problem. It wouldn't surprise me if the Oldham 'fans' who were involved in this trouble were those who are big game only and couldn't give a monkeys if they are banned from Boundary Park as they don't go every week. As for two fans fighting over pies at Everton i can well imagine as some of our fans actions when waiting for food/beer are appalling especially if the service is as bad as Everton. Manners cost nothing people and some of the comments i heard in the queue were bordering on the illegal. TBH though the club isn't doing itself any favours by having a bunch of jobsworths as stewards who seem more intent on obeying health and safety than preventing trouble and this standard has definately gone down since we got a 'firm' in to do the majority of the stewarding. FFS why does the lookers paddock and the lookers upper have to have seperate catering facilities it has worked fine for god knows how long and then the moment this new 'firm' come in and change things it goes to hell. I'm not surprised though as I'm a qualified steward and its all about letting the police deal with any trouble and making sure the health and safety gestapo are obeyed. But then again if you are the size of some of the stewards i don't blame you as a strong wind looks like it would blow most of them over.

[BLUMAX]

That is not good what i am reading here , I remember myself seeing some very ugly scenes at BP when i was a young kid.

I hope the club have read this thread and take stock of the decent posts by the fans ! .........worrying times when supporters are worried about the safety of their kids.

To be honest I have not brought my seven year old son to BP yet , one of the reasons i this.

 

Been taking my lad since he was 3, hes nearly 11 now and I cant remember him seeing any trouble.My 7 year old Daughter has just started going, good age too start.

Start the indoctrination now Andy!

[daznathe]

i dont want to appear the polar opposite here but at the hudds game my lad looked at the amount of police and said 'i take it this is a game where the fans fight afterwards?' hes six. he watches soccer am and he says 'why do they do the bit where they salute to the army, that cant be very nice for the people whos families we kill' maybe this is due to my parenting style, i try to answer all questions truthfully and he is a very intelligent kid. we came under fire from bottles and bricks at everton and he still comes to games. im not advocating putting your children in danger but i do think they need to see the world as it is before its too late. sit and talk to them about what they see, ask them 'what do you think about them people fighting over a pie?' its a massive cliche but you can learn so much from children. dont get me wrong here im not condoning anything and im always sorry to hear of children distressed but i belive such things can be managed and always try to turn negatives into positives. sorry for all the cliches!

[Inspiral_Carpet]

i dont want to appear the polar opposite here but at the hudds game my lad looked at the amount of police and said 'i take it this is a game where the fans fight afterwards?' hes six. he watches soccer am and he says 'why do they do the bit where they salute to the army, that cant be very nice for the people whos families we kill' maybe this is due to my parenting style, i try to answer all questions truthfully and he is a very intelligent kid. we came under fire from bottles and bricks at everton and he still comes to games. im not advocating putting your children in danger but i do think they need to see the world as it is before its too late. sit and talk to them about what they see, ask them 'what do you think about them people fighting over a pie?' its a massive cliche but you can learn so much from children. dont get me wrong here im not condoning anything and im always sorry to hear of children distressed but i belive such things can be managed and always try to turn negatives into positives. sorry for all the cliches!

 

I know what you are saying Daz and I won't stop my lads coming because of a bit of trouble. It's few and far between and like you, I always discuss things with them so that they understand.

 

My eldest has been to half a dozen grounds now and the only trouble we have seen was at Everton (the pie incident) and that was just ridiculous. It hasn't stopped them wanting to go but the point I was making was that they do remember incidents.

[oafcprozac]

That is not good what i am reading here , I remember myself seeing some very ugly scenes at BP when i was a young kid.

I hope the club have read this thread and take stock of the decent posts by the fans ! .........worrying times when supporters are worried about the safety of their kids.

To be honest I have not brought my seven year old son to BP yet , one of the reasons i this.

 

You tend to sense when there's going to be trouble and Saturday was one of those days. As I usually come to the game with either my dad or my 9 year old son if there's a large away following I tend to wlak round the Chaddy End and up furtherwood Roacd to where the wife picks us up. Oherwise we have to walk up the hill at the back of the Lookers straight through the away crowd. I'mjust not prepared to put my boy at risk and as the owd fella is knackered on his legs these days its a case of trying to stay away from potential flash points. At the end of the day its a game, the knobs would do well to remember that.

[oafcprozac]

I know what you are saying Daz and I won't stop my lads coming because of a bit of trouble. It's few and far between and like you, I always discuss things with them so that they understand.

 

My eldest has been to half a dozen grounds now and the only trouble we have seen was at Everton (the pie incident) and that was just ridiculous. It hasn't stopped them wanting to go but the point I was making was that they do remember incidents.

 

 

The behaviour of some of our so called ans at Everton bordered on the disgraceful and two in particular I observed are regulars, but sit with the muppet-choir. They must be at least mid-30's but think they can take on the world. Wouldn't surprise me one iota if they were involved in the incident you describe IC. iNcredibly sad when your youngsters have to witness such mindless behaviour in such an inoccuous environment as a bloody pie queue. Symptomatic of the me-first at all costsculture that has engulfed our society.

[Rocky_Latic]

No police presence? That's because they were probably all still in the Paddock sticking camera's in peoples faces for trying to get an atmosphere going. It even had a cordon around the entire block at one point. Always the case when there's a big crowd and does nothing but aggravate people being treated like a naughty schoolboy even though they've done nothing but sing "Come on Oldham". There where a few undesirable (if that's what you want to call them) Latics fans in there who had been in the trouble at Litten Tree. I used to work with one of them who was a bouncer in Oldham not so long ago.

 

I went on a bit of a session in Royton the day after the game. Ended up in the White Hart and walking there noticed the Graffiti on the side of the wall (Car Wash side) "FYC". Go in the toilets of any pub on Rochdale road and you'll see it encarved somewhere. Same goes for the Pitt Club in Limeside - which even has a sub heading about a feeling towards the Asian community in the town.

 

Oldham v Hudd's has always been a dodgy fixture. I've taken my little cousin to a few Latics games in recent years to try and get him hooked (to no success as he's now a Dale fan) and there's only a select few games I wouldnt bother taking him to at Latics because I wouldnt want him caught up in anything. Hudd's, Leeds, Swansea to name a few.

 

Infact. Last year at the home game. One of the lads I went to the game with was 16 at the time. I even think he posts on here occasionally. He was walking extremely slow behind us and at the corner of Rochdale Rd/Sheepfoot Lane, he was some 20 yards behind us. For no reason or without even opening his mouth, he was given a crack by a 35 or so year old Huddersfield lad and his mates.

 

It's not a big suprise though. It's not going to go away and you'll always get an element at pretty much every football club - Tics included that wants to do this. So long as it doesnt affect anyone who doesnt want to be involved, I couldnt care less. Though it's not nice for kid's to see when it happens on Sheepfoot Lane, ala after the Blackpool game in the Playoffs. You only had to read the Rochdale Observer only last week to see the page spread dedicated to the 'off' at Rochdale between 40 Rochdale & 40 Bolton against 150 Bradford in the postponed game to see it still happens on the scale it does. The situation at Dale which was non existant only 3 years ago, is a bigger problem than the one we have.

[kellysheroes]

i see as, if people want to fight let them fight its as simple as that if you dont fight its not going to affect you in one bit hoolies is always going to be apart of the game so let it be

 

cmon oldham bring 3 points back to ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!

[daznathe]

so basicly what we have established is that assuring your wife there would be no trouble was a silly and naive thing to do?

[oafcprozac]

so basicly what we have established is that assuring your wife there would be no trouble was a silly and naive thing to do?

 

Do what I advise my wife to do, keep the engine running if it looks lively drive off and i'll arrange to meet her either in the lay by near b & q or outside her mam and dads on Rochadale Road. To suggest it wouldn't go off was a bit daft. Especially when they brought four times what they normally bring, that means the idiot element are there, same as our lot at Goodison.

[leeslover]

i see as, if people want to fight let them fight its as simple as that if you dont fight its not going to affect you in one bit hoolies is always going to be apart of the game so let it be

 

cmon oldham bring 3 points back to ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!

I agree. The same goes for drunken fighting at the weekend. People have always hit each other over the head outside pubs and clubs of a Saturday night, just let them get on with it and it won't affect you one bit.

[dish]

Open Question -

 

If you saw a Latics fan getting beaten up by opposition supporters, would you help them?

 

Personally, I would be disgusted if anyone didn't.

 

What people have to accept, we don't live in a fairytail land and incidents like this will happen.

I think the lesson to be learnt is that the policing should of been better outside the ground. With Huddersfield having a better escort to the town center.

[oafcprozac]

Open Question -

 

If you saw a Latics fan getting beaten up by opposition supporters, would you help them?

 

 

Depends who it was, I can think of a few where I'd happily join in!

[Matt]

If you saw a Latics fan getting beaten up by opposition supporters, would you help them?

A fantastic question, and one which everybody probably has a different answer - and one that isn't quite as clear cut as it first appears.

 

However, preventing the assault in the first place makes the question redundant.

 

Fight or Flight? - there are options - there is a choice.

 

There are certain consequentials that an individual works through to keep safe. Our built in natural risk-assessment facility weighs up any situation for instance - you make the choices given the predicament you are in. A female should not walk down alleyways at nightime. It's not because she will get attacked if she does, it's that she is increasing the risk if that choice is made. Your own risk assessment of a situation could reduce the threat of an attack.

 

Don't forget that the same rules of risk assessment apply to an individual who is witnessing somebody getting a kicking - apprehension is only natural.

[kellys_discopants]

This is getting blown out of proportion. By some reactions on here you would have thought weve got some super hooligan firm who kicks off at everymatch. One incident and everyones running for cover. (cue the slagging off)