oafc1955 Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 The Leeds court hearing on the points deduction is any time soon...is it possible they may lose their case and be deducted more points by the league for contesting the decision. If that were to be the case, after last nights results the season is definitely not over!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chaplain Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 The Leeds court hearing on the points deduction is any time soon...is it possible they may lose their case and be deducted more points by the league for contesting the decision. If that were to be the case, after last nights results the season is definitely not over!! There's a good report from the Press Association. "Cramer, of Leeds based solicitors Cramer Richards, said: "Leeds have got to demonstrate early on to the three-man panel that there is very good reason why this 15 points can be challenged. I put their chances at about 30%." "But Cramer said Leeds had effectively waived their rights of appeal when they agreed to return to the Football League back in August." Should be announced before their Saturday match against Millwall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 I hope justice is done, and Batesy is boiling in oil before sundown. The only slight concern is that they might try and use this to get another bout of, "Everyone is against us," spirit going as they enter the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaskedOwl Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 they won't have more points deducted if they lose the appeal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny punkster Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 they won't have more points deducted if they lose the appeal is that confirmed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lookers_Carl Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 (edited) but they cant take this any further if they do lose it? I'm sure I read somewhere the FA or FL threatened to dock them more points if they carried this on been thinking about this though, they signed a contract to say that in return for their share, they would accept the 15 points deduction and not take this an further. Now that it is obvious that they are not acceptign the deduction, could the league withdraw their share for next season or even this season? Edited April 16, 2008 by Lookers_Carl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny punkster Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 one predicament we talked about would be to give them back their 15 points(if the decision was overturned),so,they win promotion,then the league takes away their share to be in the football league next season for bringing the game into disrepute ...so they get chucked out of the league and theres an almighty scamble for that 6th place! we can only dream eh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Whatever the outcome, I hope the F.L. deducts points for the Leeds fans' pitch invasion at the end of last season in an attempt to get the game abandoned. The offence has still not been dealt with and this sort of thing should be punished severely as a deterent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosa Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 been thinking about this though, they signed a contract to say that in return for their share, they would accept the 15 points deduction and not take this an further. Now that it is obvious that they are not acceptign the deduction, could the league withdraw their share for next season or even this season? Good point, i would have that the FL would at least be entitled to sue them for breach of contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Ronnie Moore Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Apparently no decision will be made until May 12th. http://www.glorygloryleedsunited.com/2008/...rbitration.html That kind of messes the playoffs up a little bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fyldelatic Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Apparently no decision will be made until May 12th. http://www.glorygloryleedsunited.com/2008/...rbitration.html That kind of messes the playoffs up a little bit. I have heard on the radio that because of this delay, any points returned, if any, wouldn't become effective until next season. So everything would stay as it is, and Leeds, whether they go up through play-off or stay down, would then start the season with plus points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch_KTF Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 I have heard on the radio that because of this delay, any points returned, if any, wouldn't become effective until next season. So everything would stay as it is, and Leeds, whether they go up through play-off or stay down, would then start the season with plus points. That CANNOT be allowed. It punishes every other other club in the league. It would be a disgrace, and even worse if they had points returned in the championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outoftheblue Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 That CANNOT be allowed. It punishes every other other club in the league. It would be a disgrace, and even worse if they had points returned in the championship. Totally agree - What a ludicrous idea that would be. The other teams just wouldn't accept it and the FL would be dealing with a large scale mutiny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny punkster Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 i predict a riot if that happened! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 I'd stick the yorkshire pitmen, their cockney would be owner and Kilkenny in the bottom tier of English football for costing the league money in legal fee's. Bates can always ask for his money back off Leeds and do one....sounds familiar don't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fyldelatic Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 That CANNOT be allowed. It punishes every other other club in the league. It would be a disgrace, and even worse if they had points returned in the championship. It was made in response to threats by Carlisle United and Doncaster Rovers that if Leeds United were to get some or all their points back during the current campaign, and as a result they were to lose out on automatic promotion, to take legal action to challenge it. Whether the points are awarded, if any, this season or next, nobody except Leeds are going to be happy, though if it's done now, it will only impact on a handful of teams, including those still hoping to get into play-offs (us included!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 I've been thinking about this whole scenario and I tell ya what.....I wouldn't like to be the next club that goes into administration during the summer thus the FL holding their "golden share"....coz would the FL give it back so readily next time? Run the risk of another court battle of some sort....say by a club who then decides they want to challenge the existing 10pt deductions rule....like what Luton, Rotherham and Bournemouth have had this season. I once thought it might be that Inland Revenue that causes a club to go bump in the future, but I think there's more chance now of it happening this way....all thanks to Leeds and their corrupt ways! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleetwood Blue Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 On the official leeds site it says a decision is expected on May 1st, iam just hoping they come back with a correct decision, "you are cheating ###### leeds and for your punishment you will start next season on -15 points for being dumb enough to appeal the original decision" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordy Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 They should start on -15 every season ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 I've been thinking about this whole scenario and I tell ya what.....I wouldn't like to be the next club that goes into administration during the summer thus the FL holding their "golden share"....coz would the FL give it back so readily next time? Run the risk of another court battle of some sort....say by a club who then decides they want to challenge the existing 10pt deductions rule....like what Luton, Rotherham and Bournemouth have had this season. I once thought it might be that Inland Revenue that causes a club to go bump in the future, but I think there's more chance now of it happening this way....all thanks to Leeds and their corrupt ways! I don't think so Ross - Leeds were in fact allowed to get away with following the FL rules in terms of dealing with their debts, not treated leniently in having their share returned - the Appeal bit isn't really linked to the golden share. If the FL had just played it by the book, Leeds would be casting envious eyes up at Farsley Celtic and everyone would be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhunteruk Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 I don't think so Ross - Leeds were in fact allowed to get away with following the FL rules in terms of dealing with their debts, not treated leniently in having their share returned - the Appeal bit isn't really linked to the golden share. If the FL had just played it by the book, Leeds would be casting envious eyes up at Farsley Celtic and everyone would be happy. according to the bbc site it says the case will close on monday,and any verdict will be made 3/4 weeks arfter that,meaning it will fall just after the season has finished. they can give them there five points back if they want,but only when this season is done and dusted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 I don't think so Ross - Leeds were in fact allowed to get away with following the FL rules in terms of dealing with their debts, not treated leniently in having their share returned - the Appeal bit isn't really linked to the golden share. If the FL had just played it by the book, Leeds would be casting envious eyes up at Farsley Celtic and everyone would be happy. But they accepted the deduction as part of the return of the "Golden Share" so that they could enter the league. As you say, if the FL had played it straight and not done this, they'd be in the doo-doo.....hence next time, the FL might say "sod all compromises" we're sticking to our guns and you'll be thrown out the league. Leading to the club most likely folding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markoasis Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Now stopping other fans / players enjoying their moment ............ this is getting to be a joke http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ity/7361268.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Now stopping other fans / players enjoying their moment ............ this is getting to be a joke http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ity/7361268.stm this just sums up Leeds united to be frank....awful club with awful fans... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnoid Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 this just sums up Leeds united to be frank....awful club with awful fans... to be fair to leeds it's neither the clubs or the fans fault that this has dragged on for so long, if the league had grown a pair and made a decision last week this would all have been resolved now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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