Jon Worthington signs

[opinions4u]

A hundred on here voting out of 4000 watching doesn't make the opinion representative.

A typical electoral poll asks around 1,000 people who they will vote for.

 

The results are usually pretty accurate (+/- 5%) and that represents an electorate of 50,000,000.

 

Now you could argue that those voting on a messageboard are swayed disproportionately by some of the views aired on that board. You could also argue that on a smallish sample the margin for error is a little higher.

 

But to be honest, for 80% of the matches I've attended, my choice has usually been first or second (and I rarely voted Gregan).

 

I think they provide a fairly decent and representitive view of Latics fans.

 

(when I moved my ticket from front row of the Chaddy to back row of the RRE my choices mirrored the wider view more closely - perhaps only those from row M back in any stand should be allowed to vote?).

Edited May 27, 2009 by opinions4u

[mikejh45]

Does it not? I thought that was precisely what an opinion poll did?

 

It's an assumption that it represents the common opinion.

 

Anyway Gregan is history, move on!!!

[mikejh45]

A typical electoral poll asks around 1,000 people who they will vote for.

 

The results are usually pretty accurate (+/- 5%) and that represents an electorate of 50,000,000.

 

Now you could argue that those voting on a messageboard are swayed disproportionately by some of the views aired on that board. You could also argue that on a smallish sample the margin for error is a little higher.

 

But to be honest, for 80% of the matches I've attended, my choice has usually been first or second.

 

I think they provide a fairly decent and representitive view of Latics fans.

 

(when I moved my ticket from front row of the Chaddy to back row of the RRE my choices mirrored the wider view more closely - perhaps only those from row M back in any stand should be allowed to vote?).

 

1) We don't have 50 million voters and of those who are eligible to vote. only 40% on average bother to do so. Should we get the remaining 60% to do their duty and vote, the political spectrum could be somewhat different.

 

2) Are you saying that fans be allowed to vote so long as they fit in with your views? I had a full season of the RRE and had to listen to some extemely outlandish opinions.

[Hometownclub]

A hundred on here voting out of 4000 watching doesn't make the opinion representative.

 

And the volume is more like a whisper.

 

Just one more point -

 

GREGAN HAS GONE AND HE AIN'T COMING BACK, LET IT GO!!!

 

Get some therapy or take a tablet.

 

This is about Worthington signing!!!

It's an assumption that it represents the common opinion.

 

Anyway Gregan is history, move on!!!

 

1) We don't have 50 million voters and of those who are eligible to vote. only 40% on average bother to do so. Should we get the remaining 60% to do their duty and vote, the political spectrum could be somewhat different.

 

2) Are you saying that fans be allowed to vote so long as they fit in with your views? I had a full season of the RRE and had to listen to some extemely outlandish opinions.

 

Yeah right, its me who needs to move on.

[mikejh45]

Yeah right, its me who needs to move on.

 

How about Spotland!!!

[opinions4u]

1) We don't have 50 million voters.

At the last General Election there were 44.2m registered to vote. I would guess that the number is now nearer 50m than 40m.

 

2) Are you saying that fans be allowed to vote so long as they fit in with your views? I had a full season of the RRE and had to listen to some extemely outlandish opinions.

Now you're just behaving like a child. I was making the point that when I had a better view my motm polling seemed closer to the consensus.

 

[OldhamSheridan]

A typical electoral poll asks around 1,000 people who they will vote for.

 

The results are usually pretty accurate (+/- 5%) and that represents an electorate of 50,000,000.

 

Now you could argue that those voting on a messageboard are swayed disproportionately by some of the views aired on that board. You could also argue that on a smallish sample the margin for error is a little higher.

 

But to be honest, for 80% of the matches I've attended, my choice has usually been first or second (and I rarely voted Gregan).

 

I think they provide a fairly decent and representitive view of Latics fans.

 

(when I moved my ticket from front row of the Chaddy to back row of the RRE my choices mirrored the wider view more closely - perhaps only those from row M back in any stand should be allowed to vote?).

 

Obviously the results of 100 on 4,500 Latics fans (if from the same sample) aren't going to give that great a confidence limit (it'll be about +/- 9%ish depending on the percentage voting for him). But, the larger problem arises from the target audience on the Interweb. What is the age of the people voting on here? Do they (the young and the old) vote in the same manner? I suspect the OWTB MOM Survey would be very skewed towards the younger members of the crowd, and that they could vote very differently.

 

So whether they do give a representative view of latics fans (certainly in the close cases) is very unclear.

 

Also add to that that people will be lead by what has been said in the discussion thread.

Edited May 28, 2009 by OldhamSheridan

[mikejh45]

Now you're just behaving like a child. I was making the point that when I had a better view my motm polling seemed closer to the consensus.

 

No more childish than a lot of comments/opinions on here. But yes, I'm in an argumentative mood!!!

 

 

[opinions4u]

Obviously the results of 100 on 4,500 Latics fans (if from the same sample) aren't going to give that great a confidence limit (it'll be about +/- 9%ish depending on the percentage voting for him). But, the larger problem arises from the target audience on the Interweb. What is the age of the people voting on here? Do they (the young and the old) vote in the same manner? I suspect the OWTB MOM Survey would be very skewed towards the younger members of the crowd, and that they could vote very differently.

 

So whether they do give a representative view of latics fans (certainly in the close cases) is very unclear.

 

Also add to that that people will be lead by what has been said in the discussion thread.

Totally agree.

 

Just irked by others taking comments out of context.

 

+/- 9% sounds about right to me ... so 2 or 3 votes one way or the other for a typcial motm.

[mikejh45]

Totally agree.

 

Just irked by others taking comments out of context.

 

+/- 9% sounds about right to me ... so 2 or 3 votes one way or the other for a typcial motm.

 

Apologies for getting you "irked", old boy!!! Not my intention.

 

However, just to poke a proverbial stick in the spokes, I know of 2 regulars on here who:

1) Voted for Gregan for the games he didn't attend just to see how the voting went.

2) Voted for Gregan every match because he was the best of player at the club irrespective of his perfomance in that game.

 

Now, I'm not attempting to be a statistician, but the above would have an effect on voting outcome.

[opinions4u]

It would.

 

I'll buy you a beer one day.

 

Not irked anymore

[Killens_physio]

Apologies for getting you "irked", old boy!!! Not my intention.

 

However, just to poke a proverbial stick in the spokes, I know of 2 regulars on here who:

1) Voted for Gregan for the games he didn't attend just to see how the voting went.

2) Voted for Gregan every match because he was the best of player at the club irrespective of his perfomance in that game.

 

Now, I'm not attempting to be a statistician, but the above would have an effect on voting outcome.

 

Add to that, that im sure some people voted for Wolfy as MoM when he was only on the pitch a few minutes.

[OldhamSheridan]

Apologies for getting you "irked", old boy!!! Not my intention.

 

However, just to poke a proverbial stick in the spokes, I know of 2 regulars on here who:

1) Voted for Gregan for the games he didn't attend just to see how the voting went.

2) Voted for Gregan every match because he was the best of player at the club irrespective of his perfomance in that game.

 

Now, I'm not attempting to be a statistician, but the above would have an effect on voting outcome.

 

Yes, but in these cases this idea can be extrapolated out to what the full 4500 would vote (i.e. 90 people voted for Gregan every time no matter what). That shouldn't effect the overall confidence at the end of the day. What does is bias within the sample, and that the sample of OWTB members is not the same as that of everyone at the game (I would venture that age and socio-economic levels have a marked difference).

 

Even more likely to sway the votes are peoples comments, as people go for what they feel is meant to be the correct response rather than what they feel is the correct response (i.e people follow the crowd).

 

[Hometownclub]

Apologies for getting you "irked", old boy!!! Not my intention.

 

However, just to poke a proverbial stick in the spokes, I know of 2 regulars on here who:

1) Voted for Gregan for the games he didn't attend just to see how the voting went.

2) Voted for Gregan every match because he was the best of player at the club irrespective of his perfomance in that game.

 

Now, I'm not attempting to be a statistician, but the above would have an effect on voting outcome.

Let it go, you need to move on.

 

Don't get yourself in therapy over this.

[OldhamSheridan]

Let it go, you need to move on.

 

Don't get yourself in therapy over this.

 

 

.and whatever you do, don't become a statistician specialising in this. It is rather dull and you end up on various football websites whilst your life pisses away before your very eyes. Supposedly .

[leeslover]

.and whatever you do, don't become a statistician specialising in this. It is rather dull and you end up on various football websites whilst your life pisses away before your very eyes. Supposedly .

Not one but two members of my senior management consulted me yesterday to find out what 1% of £700 was, and were surprised to hear that it wasn’t very much. It’s so much more exciting being an analyst when contrasted with the humdrum world of the statistician.

[daniel8157]

What was this thread about again?

[opinions4u]

Not one but two members of my senior management consulted me yesterday to find out what 1% of £700 was, and were surprised to hear that it wasn’t very much. It’s so much more exciting being an analyst when contrasted with the humdrum world of the statistician.

As a fellow analyst I sympathise.

 

In my early analytical days I often made the mistake of not presenting the bleeding obvious to my management team in the mistaken belief that it was ... well ... bleeding obvious. I have learned though.

[Zorrro]

As a fellow analyst I sympathise.

 

In my early analytical days I often made the mistake of not presenting the bleeding obvious to my management team in the mistaken belief that it was ... well ... bleeding obvious. I have learned though.

 

Ah yes. That old chestnut. I created an HR Scorecard for my current company last year, which was (and still is) a valuable piece of work; simplistic yet detailed, enabling the senior management quick access to crucial data and pinch points within the business. Or so I thought.

 

You know there's a problem when you get asked, "What does "Turnover %" mean?"...

[bensonio]

, "What does "Turnover %" mean?"...

isn't it a mid sleep movement?

[mikejh45]

Yes, but in these cases this idea can be extrapolated out to what the full 4500 would vote (i.e. 90 people voted for Gregan every time no matter what). That shouldn't effect the overall confidence at the end of the day. What does is bias within the sample, and that the sample of OWTB members is not the same as that of everyone at the game (I would venture that age and socio-economic levels have a marked difference).

 

Even more likely to sway the votes are peoples comments, as people go for what they feel is meant to be the correct response rather than what they feel is the correct response (i.e people follow the crowd).

 

Bluddy Hell!!!

 

You sound like Peter Snow and his 'swing-o-meter'!!!

[LeylandLatic]

I haven't read the entirity of this thread but I notice that the Huddersfield fans here seem to think he is rubbish but tries hard (and are obviously trolling). DATM seem to think they've lost their best midfielder;

 

http://downatthemac.proboards.com/index.cg...6490&page=2

[Luke Becketts Anchor]

Spoke to a Udders season ticket holder at work the other day. He said that Worthington will chase the impossible all day, never gives up. But can't find a creative pass (which I think we'd gathered by now).

 

I trust in DP's masterplan!

[leeslover]

What was this thread about again?

As it's over 3 pages, probably the lack of effort Oldham have made to be a big club compared to Bolton, Blackburn etc. Or the Jews or Fenians, unless there has been a racist around, although they are thinner on the ground than in the good old days.

 

 

Spoke to a Udders season ticket holder at work the other day. He said that Worthington will chase the impossible all day, never gives up. But can't find a creative pass (which I think we'd gathered by now).

 

I trust in DP's masterplan!

Therein lies the facts of third divison football. Of course the bloke is a bit rubbish at playing a killer pass. Makelele never chased the impossible once in his life, if it was impossible he would go to the next best place, and he was the best in the world at it, that's why he could carry 5 "Galacticos," who did nowt. At our level an Ernie Cooksey or a Mini-Shez, or dread it, even a Baudet can stick a serious spoke in the works of the other side, even if by just standing on the toes of their best player for 90 minutes (cf Ratters for Chesterfield against Wellens), You just need to have enought people around him who can play a bit.