RobOAFC Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 The old Hollinwood Gas Works site. alongside the M60 and next to the tram stop/ main bus routes and surrounded by pubs and eating places. OMBC would like a gateway project for the toen..here it is. I did mention this to AH but he said it was rejected because the land was contamaminted... but it is a big site and may well be 30 acres +. If it is contamaminted.. after all the messing about with the council and their mess up, maybe they could pay for cleaning of it etc instead of possibly being sued? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksBlue Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 The old Hollinwood Gas Works site. alongside the M60 and next to the tram stop/ main bus routes and surrounded by pubs and eating places. OMBC would like a gateway project for the toen..here it is. I did mention this to AH but he said it was rejected because the land was contamaminted... but it is a big site and may well be 30 acres +. two years ago I did a project building warehousing / light industrial estate on a 5+ acre former gas works site ... same contamination (perhaps), but that site cost just over £1M and 18 months to remediate suitable for construction ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc-latics Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 the plan for failsworth was... lancaster club land to be made into full size football pitches and also 3g five a side pitches,bringing in income 7 days a week...] the land the council were renting us was going to house the stadium with conferencing and the possibility of a cinema and eateries....and also possibly office space as well... couldnt they do that anyway and sell the land they would have used for the stadium? it can't cost too much to put some pitches and make some money out of it. would mean that something would come out of the failed move and we could stick our name on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 If it is contamaminted.. after all the messing about with the council and their mess up, maybe they could pay for cleaning of it etc instead of possibly being sued? Depending how much it costs? Some of the stories I've heard recently about contamination make me think that the council could be better off being sued and they should know it. It all depends on what it is contaminated with, how deep it goes, how big an area the contamination covers, loads of factors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobOAFC Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 couldnt they do that anyway and sell the land they would have used for the stadium? it can't cost too much to put some pitches and make some money out of it. would mean that something would come out of the failed move and we could stick our name on it If it's 3g pitches, it can cost quite a bit to set up and maintain them. But in proposals for failsworth it wouldn't be that much.. If they can build a soccer village type complex, but with bigger pitches, it would bring in over a few hundred pounds a day.. over sat + sun it would probably bring in excess of £1000 for them two days alone a week.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 (edited) If it's 3g pitches, it can cost quite a bit to set up and maintain them. But in proposals for failsworth it wouldn't be that much.. If they can build a soccer village type complex, but with bigger pitches, it would bring in over a few hundred pounds a day.. over sat + sun it would probably bring in excess of £1000 for them two days alone a week.. It's really important to note that is not £1,000 Profit (to Oldham) for 2 days. I am sure you know Rob, but I am thinking some on here might not think that. Edited February 7, 2011 by singe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macca Posted February 7, 2011 Author Share Posted February 7, 2011 It's really important to note that is not £1,000 Profit (to Oldham) for 2 days. I am sure you know Rob, but I am thinking some on here might not think that. Yup it will be the 3G company that runs it. There will be a rent that might benefit the club or however the contract is drawn up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobOAFC Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 It's really important to note that is not £1,000 Profit (to Oldham) for 2 days. I am sure you know Rob, but I am thinking some on here might not think that. Well, it depends on how it is financed. If they do what has been reported on here about the club financing the reports or planning permission or whatever it was behind the chaddy end, if they did the same thing and it was the club financing the building of them (not sure how they club would unless directors loans though, however it appears the club itself found £400k if reports on here are true) then technically it would be the club's profit.. All the details on each stadium proposal by TTA is like stepping into a swamp, everything has not been revealed.. how would the club become sustainable from failsworth? yes there is the income revenues planned, but surely that would go to TTA as they spent all the money on the club and development? Along with the 'Oldham Arena' wasn't it quoted it would cost £80m? Where was the finance to come for that? We've only ever known the outer details of the plans such as how income is generated and the stadium plans.. never been told the finer details of the plans... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 (edited) Well, it depends on how it is financed. If they do what has been reported on here about the club financing the reports or planning permission or whatever it was behind the chaddy end, if they did the same thing and it was the club financing the building of them (not sure how they club would unless directors loans though, however it appears the club itself found £400k if reports on here are true) then technically it would be the club's profit.. All the details on each stadium proposal by TTA is like stepping into a swamp, everything has not been revealed.. how would the club become sustainable from failsworth? yes there is the income revenues planned, but surely that would go to TTA as they spent all the money on the club and development? Along with the 'Oldham Arena' wasn't it quoted it would cost £80m? Where was the finance to come for that? We've only ever known the outer details of the plans such as how income is generated and the stadium plans.. never been told the finer details of the plans... True, but I am referring to the fact that the "bringing in" £1,000 is before all the operating costs, the profit will be les than £500 Gross, and much less net. Nearer £200 I'd guess, depending on the finances, as you say. I think some people work with the £1,000 profit and run away with the idea the TTA will make Bill Gates look a pauper. Edited February 7, 2011 by singe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffo1960 Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 (edited) http://geoplanning.oldham.gov.uk/genericgi...&scale=3500 take away the railway line and mumps bridge which are no longer in use. 30 acres?? Edited February 7, 2011 by biffo1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanakapan Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 I tell ya what? there seems to be a lot of contaminated land in Oldham. Fed up of hearing that one. So what its contaminated.... so its just going to lie fallow for ever is it ? Sooner or later somebody will bung somebody on the council and will build on it. No green domes in Hollinwood as yet We are buildinga footy stadium for @@@@@ sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lookers_Carl Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 So what its contaminated.... so its just going to lie fallow for ever is it ? Sooner or later somebody will bung somebody on the council and will build on it. No green domes in Hollinwood as yet We are buildinga footy stadium for @@@@@ sake. No but you need somebody with the money to decontaminate it before they can build on it. Neither us nor the council will have that money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobOAFC Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 No but you need somebody with the money to decontaminate it before they can build on it. Neither us nor the council will have that money. Not have the money? So you know how much it would cost to decontaminate it then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Not have the money? So you know how much it would cost to decontaminate it then? I would say anything over £1 and it would be questionable if we could afford to do it... We are losing money every week still.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 It depends what it is contaminated with, how toxic that is, how much of the land has been contaminated. To give you some idea how much hassle decontamination takes. They had to decontaminate a farm site (city farm)/allotment in Byker. Its probably only about 10 acres, it took them 3 years to do it. It probably cost the council/whoever somewhere around a million pounds in wage costs alone. Not to mention all the specialist equipment etc. Decontamination is simply not worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticMark Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Those against the Failsworth move were continually told 'there is no other 30 acre site in oldham', and at the later consultations, there was a list of numerous sites and reasons as to why a new stadium could not be built there. If the council come along with another large site in Oldham that can accomodate a development, then thats not exactly going to come across well after giving it all the 'there is nowhere else its failsworth or bust' talk. A politician's answer could be that they now 'find' a site of 28 or 29 acres! Does anyone know the list of sites that were rejected as possibilities before Failsworth was chosen? How much would be needed to build the original BP dream we all marched for now? Four: If the council came up with a good plot within the town to build a stadium and some other income stream generator's how much cash would be raised from the sale of BP and Failsworth land? Stadia developers now suggest it averages out at between £1,000 and £1,500 a seat. The Oldham Arena plan was to develop 3 sides of the ground with just over 11,000 seats. This would suggest a cost of anything up to £16.5m. The board of directors bought the land..in the guise of a different company name.....the land that bp sits on was being sold for 20 million..the new ground was costing 20 million....once up and running with income coming in....and hopefully playing in a higher league,the owners would look to sell,which would be a much better proposition for someone as opposed to the situation were in now.... On Saturday, on Radio Manchester, Alan Hardy said the club had had an offer of £18m for the land at Boundary Park. This would be a short time before the first plans to rebuild the stadium were refused. They would get a lot less at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanakapan Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 It depends what it is contaminated with, how toxic that is, how much of the land has been contaminated. To give you some idea how much hassle decontamination takes. They had to decontaminate a farm site (city farm)/allotment in Byker. Its probably only about 10 acres, it took them 3 years to do it. It probably cost the council/whoever somewhere around a million pounds in wage costs alone. Not to mention all the specialist equipment etc. Decontamination is simply not worth it. I am not having any of that......bulldozers take off the first few feet then top it with new soil/hardcore.....once its built on it doesnt matter Environment claptrap yet again......tree huggers rule............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_bro Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 I think the hill might be a bit of a problem... Build into the hill it would make it easier to put in a stand like Watford. I did suggest this ages ago!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_bro Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 yup...in an ideal situation they would all be built on the same site either adjoining or adjacent to the ground...all for one and one for all purpose...but if finding this elusive 30 acre site proves nigh on impossible..i wouldnt want to cash in my lot at lancaster club for less than paid for....so thats why i say if it was me id develop the land to leisure and get the income rolling in... at the end of the day ther eis land out there available,whether it be derelict or built on....its irrelevant..the council just has to rehouse any buisness with a like for like premises and they can do as they please.... greengate,massive massive site.....could get the lot done,and you would have extra people from middleton moston using the leisure facilities as there is nothing on the door step... salmon fileds...rehouse buinesses and flatten the land,build the lot there.... alexandra buisness park....flatten the lot,see if you can flatten the eyesore mill.....use carefull planning and build it all there.... broadway fields.....a bit marshy ans has sewerage tunnel there..but put it all underground and you could build the lot there as well.... derker ...nothing there anymore.... there must be a list somewhere of owned council land,with whats available or what they own... The mill is a listed building and cannot be knocked down. How stupid is that? Just because it wasn't built in a straight line. I checked the satellite pictures of this site against BP and a ground of the same size as well as parking fits. It would of course be better if we could also buy the garage. We are forgetting one small detail in all this, and that is the land is owned by Simon Blitz and it's really up to him what he intends to do about what has happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhunteruk Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 The mill is a listed building and cannot be knocked down. How stupid is that? Just because it wasn't built in a straight line. I checked the satellite pictures of this site against BP and a ground of the same size as well as parking fits. It would of course be better if we could also buy the garage. We are forgetting one small detail in all this, and that is the land is owned by Simon Blitz and it's really up to him what he intends to do about what has happened. i think you can actually ask for a listed building to be demolished..if it costs too much money to repar...i seem to remember a good few years ago if you had the funds to bring it back to life then you could buy it for a quid!!!..but just because its listed doesnt mean it cant go... like i said before with that site...if you want more land then build the car parking underground....and there is nothing to say you cant go upwards for the other stuff...it just takes an architect with a bit of vision to come up with a workable design... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Right, going back nearly 20 years now; but when i was at secondary school; we had to do a History project on the former site of Platt Brothers Mill; which if my Oldham Geography serves me right is classed as Werneth / Chadderton boundary? That site I know has the Oldham Waste Tip on it; which will no doubt have our much fabled ‘contamination issues’ with it; but the Platt Brothers Mill covered a huge area; and a lot of the area is free from buildings; but still has the remains of those buildings on it (walls etc)......The old Platt Bro’s offices are a Grade Listed Building; so I don’t think much can be done with that particular building; but other than that; the site is pretty central, still has decent transport links (near Oldham Way & Oldham Road) and looks easily big enough to House a Stadia and amenities.....has this ‘Brownfield Site’ been suggested at any stage?? Just a thought; I maybe miles out and this area has already been suggested and deemed a no-go; but I’m trying to go round the Borough with the aid of Google and find any potential gems of land areas...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 My Grandad worked for Platt Brothers and was close family friends with a Latics board member at the time. He would approve if the site was used ofr a new stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 My Grandad worked for Platt Brothers and was close family friends with a Latics board member at the time. He would approve if the site was used ofr a new stadium. So did my Dad, served as an apprentice there, then carried on and worked for them until a couple of months before it finally went belly up. He told me once that the site was so big in its pomp that it had it’s own railway line to carry machinery / parts & people around the site..... I know there are business units on parts of the site now, but surely there is some ‘wiggle room’ on an area so large for re-locating etc..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haribo_man Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 So did my Dad, served as an apprentice there, then carried on and worked for them until a couple of months before it finally went belly up. He told me once that the site was so big in its pomp that it had it's own railway line to carry machinery / parts & people around the site..... I know there are business units on parts of the site now, but surely there is some 'wiggle room' on an area so large for re-locating etc..... Would you not have learnt about the railway on your history project? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Would you not have learnt about the railway on your history project? If I'd have been paying attention; then probably yeah.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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