steveecky Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 10 points from the play offs; 3 points from the relegation zone. Is it: 1. The players actually aren't good enough to get results at this level? 2. The players are good enough but there isn't enough competition for places to get them to perform to their ability level? or 3. The manager can't manage the team to play well enough to get results? Not a poll, but I'd be interested in views - no chance of Corney putting his hand in his pocket with the form Latics show, he'd be throwing good money after bad. ... and yes, mildly disappointed is an understatement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunshine185 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhamathleticfailsworth Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Id have to go with 3 the manager it wasn't working from the start we didn't get the ball down at all too much long ball of you want to play that game you need a bit of height up top. Not one decent performance tonight, just waiting for the excuses to come out again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIKI1234 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 to be sitting where we are in the table with a strike force of Baxter and Derbyshire is a joke. number 3! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scratch2000uk Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Dickov's not up to it. Surely, someone can get the players we have into in the top six. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 After Coventry I thought Dickov was a dead man walking and I would've said 3, but the last month can't just be ignored and Dickov deserves as much credit for the team playing a lot better as much as anyone else. If we are in a similar position come January then maybe Dickov's position can be debated again, but tonight and Carlisle aside there have been obvious signs of improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardie Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 to be sitting where we are in the table with a strike force of Baxter and Derbyshire is a joke. number 3! Totally agree with you! Pulled it round at Sheff Utd and Crawley, yet manage to give Carlisle their first home win in ages and Bury their first away win since last April. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laticacid Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Wow people change like the wind ! Work in progress , which is progressing the right way, bring on trannies . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Dickov's not up to it. Surely, someone can get the players we have into in the top six. He earned his stay of execution, but I think the outcome is inevitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunshine185 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 We have Baxter and Derbyshire and we are three points above the relegation zone, God help us if they both leave in January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayItLivo Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 (edited) How do so many of our fans think we have a playoff capable side that is drastically underachieving? Edited November 6, 2012 by PlayItLivo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveoafc Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 He earned his stay of execution, but I think the outcome is inevitable. It will be if we keep throwing in these inept and unacceptable performances at the rate we do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 (edited) How do so many of our fans think e have a playoff capable side that is drastically underachieving? I looked across the eleven who started and thought most of them were capable of playing a league higher. Certainly Warbara and the front six. Edited November 6, 2012 by opinions4u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 He earned his stay of execution, but I think the outcome is inevitable. This is pretty much where I'm at…... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stargazer Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 I too thought the front 6 as is good as we hae had for years. The keeper is fine, Byrne is solid , Wabara is good and Grounds has got better ........and then they put in a collective apology of a performance like that , just like Carlisle , very , very disappointing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveoafc Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 The frustrating thing is we have shown we can do the ' ugly side of things ' and also play some attractive, penetrative football......but seemingly only intermittently. Our inconsistency is holding us back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamoafc Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 This is a group of players the best I have seen in a number of years. We have ability to pass teams to death and score good goals. Yet when it comes to games we should be winning but don't I am sorry but your answer is dickov isn't doing his job properly. End of. Yeah he may have had desire and hunger as a player but my god his ability in getting the players hungry and determined is poor to say the least. We are in the same position as 3 years ago with a team which should be realistically in the top half. Time for a change at the top, sorry to say I love dickov but he isn't taking us forward everything is sidewards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunshine185 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Next six games are pivotal, cup game is massive and looking at the league fixtures we have the dippers, Bournemouth and Donny which won't be easy, Hartlepool who are on a dreadful run so we know what's gonna happen there, and a " home banker" v shrewsbury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayItLivo Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 I looked across the eleven who started and thought most of them were capable of playing a league higher. Certainly Warbara and the front six. We're playing James Tarkowski at cb. He's :censored:, a liability and shouldn't be anywhere near a league one team. That shows the lack of depth we have to our squad, particularly defence. If our offence is top of the table standard then our defence is most definitely rock bottom with 10 points deducted standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scratch2000uk Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 I'm seriously wondering if October was a blip, consistency before and since has been much the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 A combination of all 3. The season started on 18th August not 15th September when we had the squad we have now. I don't know where we would be in the table since 15th September but it is almost certainly a better position than we are now. The same thing happened last season when we didn't get Kuqi in for about 5 games and didn't get Wes in at the start of the season. Some of our players have made individual mistakes which have cost us points. Doesn't matter how good of a squad you have if that happens. Finally, Dickov has occasionally not picked the right team. Tonight being a prime example. But honestly hands up how many of you would have picked the "sideways passing" Furman tonight instead of the more forward thinking Simpson. Because that is what should have happened; I don't think it's a coincidence that from when Furman came on we were the better side. Finally similarly to my first point, to bring it back to the topic title the table does lie. Scunthorpe, Coventry and Bury when they played us were better than their position in the table would suggest. That Bury side was a typical Kevin Blackwell side and if they keep that going in that sort of form they will be fine. I think some Oldham fans need to realise that the season is 46 games long not 15, which is 1 game less than most have played. Whilst quite a few teams have improved as a result of loan signings it cannot last and unlike some our improvement is not totally down to players who won't be available for all of December. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laticacid Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 We're playing James Tarkowski at cb. He's :censored:, a liability and shouldn't be anywhere near a league one team. That shows the lack of depth we have to our squad, particularly defence. If our offence is top of the table standard then our defence is most definitely rock bottom with 10 points deducted standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laticacid Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Hang on, only 5 teams have conceded less goals, so that is bollocks I'm afraid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supertaylor Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 The table won't lie in may when we finish 17th! Dickov the messiah in 3 seasons in charge we will have finished 17th 17th and 17th great progress from the Penney era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 (edited) We're playing James Tarkowski at cb. He's :censored:, a liability and shouldn't be anywhere near a league one team. That shows the lack of depth we have to our squad, particularly defence. If our offence is top of the table standard then our defence is most definitely rock bottom with 10 points deducted standard. normailly I would reply with some kind of counter argument this time I dont think I will bother, all I will say is........... What a load of bollox!!!!!! Edited November 7, 2012 by palmer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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