WIZZO83 Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 I dont remember to many having a go about Ben Amos being to young..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted July 2, 2013 Author Share Posted July 2, 2013 Amos was brilliant and calamitous in equal measure.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 I saw Long play against Exeter at Bramhall Lane in 2011, if that's what we an expect from a very young 'keeper like Simpson then we should use him sparingly. It was one of the worst goalkeeping performances that I've seen in years, responsible for 3 of the 4 goals conceded and looked complacent rather than nervous. Obviously he's improved since but I wouldn't feel confident if we were backing up a 22 year old keeper with an 18 year old. FL League One team of the year, United young player of the year and call up to represent England; not a bad crib sheet for last season for a young keeper? (Just used him as an example, i'm not raving about him especially, I could have picked others...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 FL League One team of the year, United young player of the year and call up to represent England; not a bad crib sheet for last season for a young keeper? (Just used him as an example, i'm not raving about him especially, I could have picked others...) I wouldn't be at all surprised if that was an example of teething problems that most young players have, it's just interesting to see a player who looked so poor in one match go on to do so well for a year afterwards! I do see your point though, I saw Butland play when he was on loan at Cheltenham. He showed that young keepers can possess the ability to marshall a defence and be composed for 90 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Its on; http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23149534 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjk2008 Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 I see the moaners are out again. We've scratched two goalies of the wage bill and brought in a highly rated premiership youngster, who's already earned some valuable lower league experience by spending a full season with a L2 play off finalist, for probably zero wages (as I would guess that Hull will still be paying 100% of his relative low wages as it benefits them more than us). Those wage savings can be used to fill other pressing positions like CB and CF. Yes, in an ideal world, a full season loan would have been ideal but it doesn't mean we can't extend it should he perform well and Hull aren't scraping the barrel for goalies themselves. Lets face it - do people really think Hull will recall him in the event of a gk crisis? No, they'll probably opt for a more experienced emergency loan. They'll just be being safe in the chance that option is unavailable. On the flipside, should he be :censored:, you'd have the Corney haters on here slagging him for giving him such a lengthy deal meaning we couldn't send him back. I'm sure some people just like to moan for the sake of it. As for Simpson, I trust LJ enough to be of the opinion that he's not quite ready to be our #1 just yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Profile; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Oxley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshgaz Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Hes a rookie a bit like our gaffer. Doubt he will be first choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Hes a rookie a bit like our gaffer. Doubt he will be first choice. Can't imagine him being loaned out to sit on the Judi Dench... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 I see the moaners are out again. We've scratched two goalies of the wage bill and brought in a highly rated premiership youngster, who's already earned some valuable lower league experience by spending a full season with a L2 play off finalist, for probably zero wages (as I would guess that Hull will still be paying 100% of his relative low wages as it benefits them more than us). Those wage savings can be used to fill other pressing positions like CB and CF. Yes, in an ideal world, a full season loan would have been ideal but it doesn't mean we can't extend it should he perform well and Hull aren't scraping the barrel for goalies themselves. Lets face it - do people really think Hull will recall him in the event of a gk crisis? No, they'll probably opt for a more experienced emergency loan. They'll just be being safe in the chance that option is unavailable. On the flipside, should he be :censored:, you'd have the Corney haters on here slagging him for giving him such a lengthy deal meaning we couldn't send him back. I'm sure some people just like to moan for the sake of it. As for Simpson, I trust LJ enough to be of the opinion that he's not quite ready to be our #1 just yet. I think regardless of Oxley's ability (he could be great) there are some justifiable concerns and expectations over who this season's keeper is. With outfield players it's difficult to judge the players like for like compared to last season if we play a different system but LJ/the club decide to let 2 acceptable keepers go and replace them with what turns out to be a weaker keeper then fans will be understandably unhappy. For the record I reckon Oxley will probably do fairly well but if he doesn't then it can't be seen as a smart move by the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 How can an on-loan third choice keeper at a premier league relegation certainty be better than Bouzanis or Cisek.... all smacks of penny pinching to me. . It all smacks of Dickov having had players on more money than they were worth - those two, Simpson, Furman, Croft.... M'Voto is the only player I'd push the boat out for & it appears LJ is of the same opinion, albeit he can't push it out far enough. Byrne & Wesolowski leaving wouldn't surprise me either. Good players but in all likelihood not as good as their wage suggests they should be. If he gets 10 in for the price of 6 that leave could they really do any worse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Maybe Oxley is only in as back up to Simpson or a new No. 1? He didn't start many when n loan previously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjk2008 Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Maybe Oxley is only in as back up to Simpson or a new No. 1? He didn't start many when n loan previously Well that shot me down! Why did I think he played for Northampton last season? Am I thinking of a different goalie here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted July 2, 2013 Author Share Posted July 2, 2013 You're thinking of Lee Nicholls of Wigan now he would have been a coup, he's a cracker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 (edited) If he gets 10 in for the price of 6 that leave could they really do any worse? Probably not, but I'm not confident enough to tempt fate just yet. Edited July 2, 2013 by the_mighty_bosh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Ritchie Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Can someone in the know tell me what happened with Bouzanis? PM if need be. Thirst for knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stainrod Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Oxley is 23, will have played plenty of games by now, albeit at a relatively low level, sounds very promising, he'll be desperate to do well with us otherwise at that age he's in danger of slipping out of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Oxley is 23, will have played plenty of games by now, albeit at a relatively low level. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Oxley 7. In 6 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted July 2, 2013 Author Share Posted July 2, 2013 Yet he signs another deal with Hull and has fallen further down the pecking order.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 You're thinking of Lee Nicholls of Wigan now he would have been a coup, he's a cracker But wouldn't that have been a loan similar to the Oxley deal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 But wouldn't that have been a loan similar to the Oxley deal... Just about to ask that myself! Surely if, if we'd have been in for him, that too would have been a loan deal with recall - possibly a 6 month one just like this one?? What's the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshgaz Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Nothing. Nicholls is just far more proven! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolatic Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Yet he signs another deal with Hull and has fallen further down the pecking order.... He was 3rd choice a fair bit at Hull last season when they had Stockdale on loan (who Steve Bruce wanted permanently) and their own keeper, Jakupovic. Nothing. Nicholls is just far more proven! One season in League 2 (a cracking one, I'll grant you) after loans at four other clubs where he didn't play a game for three of them and just 9 for another. He's 3 years younger than Oxley as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted July 3, 2013 Author Share Posted July 3, 2013 (edited) 23 years old and hardly played a game, another symptom of the modern game. Wonder how many games Goram, Gerrard, Fleming even Miskelly had played at 23? Is this another effect of constantly playing other teams' kids at the expense of your own? I'd rather throw Simpson in at the deep end than chance someone else's unproven kid. Might has well let our own lad try and prove himself and sign a keeper if he's not up to it? Edited July 3, 2013 by oafcprozac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Goram had 195 Gerrard around 100 Fleming about 40 Miskelly less than 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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