Guest Scratch2000uk Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 It's an in-house election by the trusts directors afaik. they vote for who they want to be chairman, does anyone think they are going to vote for a new nominee? I don't. The system is already in place, it just needs Barry to do some of his job, and quite simply answer questions that have been asked over and over again.I'm not on about the private or confidential/sensitive stuff. just plain old simple questions posed by the people he is supposed to represent. It isn't rocket science is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philliggi Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 (edited) Ive been keeping an eye on this thread from afar without commenting until now. To me its quite simple The trust is not in the public eye enough. I wouldnt know how to join or what the web address is. Other than a trust section of this website i didnt actually know there was any other online resource. If the sole aim of the trust is to represent the whole fanbase i personally believe it needs to be open house rather than membership status. Funds should be raised via donations, fundraisers and other such means. Too many supporters are not willing to join such schemes so never actually have a clue what the trust is about. I believe the role of chairman should be an elected position voted for in a one member one vote system (or if you scrapped the membership scheme another such system which allows every fan a vote) the present system is restrictive and closes doors on those fans you claim to represent. A weekly or monthly news letter or email, or even news item on the official site answering questions fans have. Basically a mini regular version of the fans forums. A blog as mentioned previously is a great idea, or you could use the chat room onnthis site for a live question and answer session with someone. Personally a radical overhaul is needed in my opinion. The trust needs to stay but it needs to be far far more accessible Edited July 8, 2013 by philliggi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueJazzer Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 It puts me in mind of the closing scene in animal farm (Orwell, not porn). I've been thinking this since the opening post....... P.s. you bastards. I was planning an early night as I'm n an airport run in the morning and no it's 11.45 and I'm still reading! Fecking boo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueJazzer Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Also. If anybody is reading this as there iphone app seems to go directly to the last post in a thread, then just read posts #1,4, and 147. That about sums the whole debate up without having to read all the sniping in between IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 I welcome challenge and change and will fight any leadership battle. But Barry, as it stands, only around 7 people will be eligible to stand, and they will be the same people who have as vote - am I incorrect? This goes to the heart of the initial question. We could have an open vote and you might be picked as the best candidate, but as it is it is fishier than an anchovie's :censored: and frankly earns you no legitimacy in many people's eyes. Why not announce that the next elections will be for all members? There might be a reason to join then and get involved in the debates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 But Barry, as it stands, only around 7 people will be eligible to stand, and they will be the same people who have as vote - am I incorrect? This goes to the heart of the initial question. We could have an open vote and you might be picked as the best candidate, but as it is it is fishier than an anchovie's :censored: and frankly earns you no legitimacy in many people's eyes. Why not announce that the next elections will be for all members? There might be a reason to join then and get involved in the debates.This, this, a thousand times this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancy lad Posted July 9, 2013 Author Share Posted July 9, 2013 But Barry, as it stands, only around 7 people will be eligible to stand, and they will be the same people who have as vote - am I incorrect? This goes to the heart of the initial question. We could have an open vote and you might be picked as the best candidate, but as it is it is fishier than an anchovie's :censored: and frankly earns you no legitimacy in many people's eyes. Why not announce that the next elections will be for all members? There might be a reason to join then and get involved in the debates. Summed up in a nutshell. Cheers leeslover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Therefore, at the AGM, is a none board member able to put forward a motion to change the election rules so that all members can vote for the president and for the vote then to take place at a later time to allow for the process? If not, why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 (edited) Whilst I agree it appears a very closed shop in terms of voting rights and would welcome a more open to all voting structure. I would wager that SC would not allow a new face onto the club board and certainly wouldn't allow them into the loop of knowledge. Not saying it outweighs a true democratic voting system but it certainly outweighs having absolutely no eyes and ears. Don't tell me SC can't do that, because what you gonna do if he does? Edited July 9, 2013 by Lags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Therefore, at the AGM, is a none board member able to put forward a motion to change the election rules so that all members can vote for the president and for the vote then to take place at a later time to allow for the process? If not, why? Don't hold me to this but if I remember correctly election of chair only comes around every 5 years currently, and then only voted on by the comittee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 (edited) cocked up sorry Edited July 9, 2013 by Lags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philliggi Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Whilst I agree it appears a very closed shop in terms of voting rights and would welcome a more open to all voting structure. I would wager that SC would not allow a new face onto the club board and certainly wouldn't allow them into the loop of knowledge. Not saying it outweighs a true democratic voting system but it certainly outweighs having absolutely no eyes and ears. Don't tell me SC can't do that, because what you gonna do if he does? Why does the club board member and the chairman of the trust have to be one and the same? Surely the two roles could be carried out by different people, with the board member reporting back to the trust the goings on in the club and vice versa. It would probably mean a more effective system as well becajse the one persons workload wouldnt be quite so large Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 (edited) There has been Trust Oldham forum on OWTB for the past 4 years(check Subforums 'The Terraces - Latics Forum'). In that time very few messages have been posted, which show either apathy - or its in the wrong place to catch attention. I suggest it's moved from subtopics and pinned at the top of the general message board (place it just above Latics for Life Legacy). Edited July 9, 2013 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 (edited) 19 posts in exactly three years. Some of them in wrong place. Quite a depressing repetition as well. You are greased lighting on the keyboard Hallam, you replied before I proof read my post (now suitably amended). Edited July 9, 2013 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 . I would wager that SC would not allow a new face onto the club board and certainly wouldn't allow them into the loop of knowledge. Not saying it outweighs a true democratic voting system but it certainly outweighs having absolutely no eyes and ears. Don't tell me SC can't do that, because what you gonna do if he does? I believe the structure of the company shareholding gives Corney no choice. While he can't stop a Trust appointee to the board he can ignore that person in board meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 I believe the structure of the company shareholding gives Corney no choice. While he can't stop a Trust appointee to the board he can ignore that person in board meetings. OK, Meetings would just go ahead without our chap being told. I really cannot see SC playing ball with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 I suggest it's moved from subtopics and pinned at the top of the general message board (place it just above Latics for Life Legacy). That's not quite how it works. It's a sub-forum containing threads; the Latics for Life Legacy is a thread, and ne'er the twain shall meet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 (edited) Corney knows what he wants. If he wants to share information, he will. The communication we get (whether through Barry, prozac or anyone else) will be as accurate and forthcoming as Corney feels is appropriate. It's why I struggle to get het up in this discussion. Edited July 9, 2013 by Crusoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 That's not quite how it works. It's a sub-forum containing threads; the Latics for Life Legacy is a thread, and ne'er the twain shall meet. I must be missing something here, The Trust is a thread just the same as the Latics For Life Legacy is a thread, so why can't they be in the same place ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Heck C-Beck Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 That's not quite how it works. It's a sub-forum containing threads; the Latics for Life Legacy is a thread, and ne'er the twain shall meet. There could be a trust thread pinned to the top of the general board though i i am sure it would be more popular than the trust sub forum, especially if it was a place where questions were posed and answered. Small things like this could make a big difference to communication, no harm in trying surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Trust Oldham is a sub-forum within 'The Terraces' forum. It contains threads about the Trust. Latics for Life Legacy is a thread contained within the 'The Terraces' forum itself. You can't mix sub-forums and pinned threads. That's not how the structure works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 There could be a trust thread pinned to the top of the general board though i i am sure it would be more popular than the trust sub forum, especially if it was a place where questions were posed and answered. Small things like this could make a big difference to communication, no harm in trying surely? Not saying there is. I was just answering a technical question that BP1960 posed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 If people used the the trusts sub forum, then it would become more used......bodies attract bodies. A bit like pubs really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 I know that I and many others don't really have much of a concept of forums/sub-forums/pinned threads anyway as we use the 'View New Content' link. As Lags says, if it was used people would use it. Sounds like I'm being Captain Obvious but the simplest solutions are often the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankly Mr Shankly Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Corney knows what he wants. If he wants to share information, he will. The communication we get (whether through Barry, prozac or anyone else) will be as accurate and forthcoming as Corney feels is appropriate. It's why I struggle to get het up in this discussion. I know what you mean mate. Personally, I'm not too bothered about not knowing the specific ins and outs of a potential juicy takeover, but I am peeved at the appalling level of simple communications by the club in general. The lack of list of friendlies, news of the new stand, what's happening in Playershare. All the sometimes boring but certainly essential day-to-day schematics of the football club. The Trust should be a point of contact to feed this back to the club in a reasoned and structured way. Moaning to Barry in an email just isn't effective. It needs someone at Trust level who the fans can interact with and who's readily available on matchdays, at monthly meetings, on here or via email. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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