GlossopLatic Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 You can have the best tactics in the world but if the players aren't good enough they won't be able to carry them out. At the moment we are having to sell to pay the overheads which is exactly the same scenario as has been the case for about 95% of the last 119 years of Oldham Athletic/Pine Villa. I'm hoping once the stand is up and running then this trend might start to slowly go in the opposite direction, so if we get a fee for a player that money will find its way back onto the pitch interms of investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Are you trying to give me sleepless nights? If cyborg feminism ever took off, men would have :censored: all else to do at night but sleep - alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 I like value for money, I try to be careful with my money but when it comes to Latics and the season ticket I don't use the same parts of my brain. I pay for the season ticket to make sure I get into the games at Boundary Park so that I see what happens after that team runs out on to the pitch. Win, lose, draw, only one out of these three things can happen in the hour and a half, I don't pay to guarantee results, I pay so that I can see how that result happens. A football club is a symbiotic relationship between the people who run the club, the players and the fans, when anyone of these don't fulfil their side of the deal the other two suffer. Corney, for his faults has put money in for several years, many of us fans have too, many haven't and the result has been that the players we have been able to buy and keep got worse for a number of years. We've tried many buying tactics as a club, looks like we are trying one now that we haven't before, ugly, experienced pros who have been in this league before, taken their lumps and learned from it. Add in a smattering of youth and flair and we might just be looking at the mid table and above part of the league for the first time in a while. I've hopefully got another 40 years of attending the games, I'm investing in this season's attempt at it in the knowledge that at times it won't be pretty, at other it will be awful but the law of averages says that eventually we will get it right. The law of diminishing returns states that if people pull their cash now then my next 40 years are going to be bloody miserable as we descend into the abyss and remembering the days when we could sign players like Ronnie Jepson and it will seem like a luxury. So keep paying your money you bastards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 I like value for money, I try to be careful with my money but when it comes to Latics and the season ticket I don't use the same parts of my brain. I pay for the season ticket to make sure I get into the games at Boundary Park so that I see what happens after that team runs out on to the pitch. Win, lose, draw, only one out of these three things can happen in the hour and a half, I don't pay to guarantee results, I pay so that I can see how that result happens. A football club is a symbiotic relationship between the people who run the club, the players and the fans, when anyone of these don't fulfil their side of the deal the other two suffer. Corney, for his faults has put money in for several years, many of us fans have too, many haven't and the result has been that the players we have been able to buy and keep got worse for a number of years. We've tried many buying tactics as a club, looks like we are trying one now that we haven't before, ugly, experienced pros who have been in this league before, taken their lumps and learned from it. Add in a smattering of youth and flair and we might just be looking at the mid table and above part of the league for the first time in a while. I've hopefully got another 40 years of attending the games, I'm investing in this season's attempt at it in the knowledge that at times it won't be pretty, at other it will be awful but the law of averages says that eventually we will get it right. The law of diminishing returns states that if people pull their cash now then my next 40 years are going to be bloody miserable as we descend into the abyss and remembering the days when we could sign players like Ronnie Jepson and it will seem like a luxury. So keep paying your money you bastards. Typical bloody socialist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Typical bloody socialist. Hush now or I'll set up some Ultras!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 I fall into that bracket, have held back to see what sort of team we are going to be fielding, its okay the people calling on fans to stump up for season tickets but last season I was genuinely optimistic before it started but this season im getting worried, thats my choice and im sure there are others I went to 90% of all games last season it may be more aways than home this season, if the same sort of football is being served up. As for trying to entice entertainment mercenaries back I feel the club has given up and budgets based on the hardcore couple of thousand, SC seems to have a defeatest attitude to most things his latest moan being the 50k shortfall that the reduced season ticket sales have produced, surely the unexpected following Notts County brought would of compensated this ? We are being fed the excuses this season before it even starts. FIFY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 So now we are told that the money from a Sale of our best player will go towards the costs of a stand that is running over budget-i.e. not towards our running costs which will exceed our income and therefore we will have to sell more players probably soon. Will the money from those sales go towards the running costs, probably not- it will go towards the £2M over budget on the stand which wont be open in time for the new season, therefore losses will continue at an unchanged rate and then sooner or later there will be no decent players to sell. It is like being on an escalator going down and managing to jump 1 step back from time to time. If you stop jumping you hit the bottom! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 I did think running a football club would be a tough job but in SC case I think he would struggle to run a bath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 (edited) What do you mean?It's not unreasonable for somebody to want to have their season ticket in the new stand. The prices for a season ticket in the new stand weren't announced. Only the £30 transfer fee which could leave some people thinking it could cost them more to commit to their usual seat and move later. So an approach of do nothing, pay on the gate and wait made sense to them, especially with Corney's suggestion that spectator facilities in the stand would be kitted out first. It's a barrier to making a decision. While I'd understand season tickets being more expensive in the new stand telling people "give us your £350 now and we'll reward your loyalty with a £30 charge at an unknown point in the future" is, politely, taking the piss. I know sales went up for last season, perhaps a wave of optimism in the new manager. The reality that he's not a miracle worker has hit home so the returning hundreds may have not bothered to remain. I don't think the £15 charge for credit matters. It's been the same for several seasons. The price increase might be relevant, although it was received fairly well on these cynical pages and employment security and job prospects appear to be improving. Edited June 17, 2014 by opinions4u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 While I'd understand season tickets being more expensive in the new stand telling people "give us your £350 now and we'll reward your loyalty with a £30 at an unknown point in the future" is, politely, taking the piss. Why would somebody not renew their RRE/Chaddy End/Main Stand season ticket because they've been told well in advance they can then move to the new stand for an extra £30 if they so wish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 I did think running a football club would be a tough job but in SC case I think he would struggle to run a bath. Get a grip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Why would somebody not renew their RRE/Chaddy End/Main Stand season ticket because they've been told well in advance they can then move to the new stand for an extra £30 if they so wish? Because it does not reward or encourage loyalty at all. It is pure suicide in marketing terms-we need all the loyal customers that we can get and shouldnt upset them and risk losing them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Get a grip In what respect ? Im entitled to my opinion the same as you are just cos the happy clappers cant see the wood for the trees aint my problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeroyboy Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 In general terms there are a few on here who think treading water and balancing the books is failure. The question is, how many of the circa 3 dozen clubs over the last 20yrs have suffered liquidation due to balanced books? Corney, does not do the same thing - unless employing different managers to employ different players, like every other club, is perceived as the same thing. Season tickets are for the regular fans who will attend all/most matches come what may. For every 'come what may' fan there is a 'see how they perform' fan. Corney will know this but can only set his pre-season budget on an expected fan base. He may well expect LJ to do better this term, but he can't bank on it. Risk and speculation is called for by some but none of these are able to stand security for the risk. Apart from very unlikely major investment or an equally unlikely major signing, success on the pitch is the only thing that will improve season ticket sales. That's life, Corney, will know that as well. The question of 'who are the ones who have not renewed' is interesting. Someone says they know a few from the pubs they go in and another says they don't know anyone who hasn't renewed, without mentioning pubs. I know 7 season ticket holders (none from pub) who have all renewed. It is human nature to prioritise your spending money best you can. Poor home form won't support season ticket sales and poor season ticket sales won't support high profile players. Nor will a 3 sided ground. No product springs to mind as frustrating as football, although an Austin Allegro comes close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Because it does not reward or encourage loyalty at all. It is pure suicide in marketing terms-we need all the loyal customers that we can get and shouldnt upset them and risk losing them! ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
real Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Because it does not reward or encourage loyalty at all. It is pure suicide in marketing terms-we need all the loyal customers that we can get and shouldnt upset them and risk losing them! If the charge to transfer was nothing (which you seem to be suggesting) then there's a pretty clear risk that everyone would want to move across and pretty much leave the other stands empty. The new stand is a limited resource and will attract a premium, so the £30 charge is pretty sensible. And the idea that you can't "upset" supporters by actually charging them extra for something that gives them extra is a bit, erm, well unbusinesslike. Much as I think the news about the extra cost of the stand is insanely unbusinnesslike, the £30 charge is emminently sensible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 If the charge to transfer was nothing (which you seem to be suggesting) then there's a pretty clear risk that everyone would want to move across and pretty much leave the other stands empty. The new stand is a limited resource and will attract a premium, so the £30 charge is pretty sensible. And the idea that you can't "upset" supporters by actually charging them extra for something that gives them extra is a bit, erm, well unbusinesslike. Much as I think the news about the extra cost of the stand is insanely unbusinnesslike, the £30 charge is emminently sensible. They haven't told us what the price for the new stand will be. The £30 charge is an "administration fee". Many may have taken the view that it's better to wait to buy rather to pay the going rate now and then an extra £30 at a later stage. Ideally it would be great if some of the missing 600 could come on here and explain their reasons. I don't know of anybody who has failed to renew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 I havent bought mine yet till I can see the squad the manager has to work with as it stands I wont be getting one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw_oldh857 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 it's 30quid extra not 300 it's not much really for great new facilities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
real Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Maybe if they'd known the full cost of build, or maybe if they had any sense, they'd have determined the price and announced what it will be when the stand is due to open. But maybe they haven't been able to work it out yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 What I don't get is that it looks like the club are basing complying with the fair play rules and looking at our revenue being down purely on ST sales. But next seasons L1 is virtually a L1 North and there will be higher than normal away attendances and a fair few extra home fans at some of the more attractive gamesA very good point also isn't about this time (ie around when the fixtures come out) that Corney traditionally warns the fans about a reduced budget. We get a lot the bigger away followings on a Saturday, as opposed to a Tuesday, tomorrow; then this virtually annual rigmarole may once again prove untrue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Whilst the announcement about ST prices was actually made much earlier in the season than seemingly normal, the deadline was also earlier. Quite a few people will have had only 1 months pay, despite it being 6-7 (or even 8) weeks, between price announcement and deadline. Yes there are financial packages, but even the interest free one will require a decent sum of money per person, multiply that sum of money for groups etc. and it is a very significant outgoing. Perhaps the extra money for the credit +/- interest made some people think it might be worthwhile waiting, not pay the £30 admin charge as well (something that seems quite extortionate for a pure admin charge- although the new stand is likely to be more expensive and presumably justifiably so) and get a seat in the new stand when they go on sale, especially if they will miss a few games at the start of the season. I think most fans accept that selling Korey Smith is virtually nailed on, because of his age and the interest he is getting from more attractive clubs. I think most fans also accept that if we get good offers for some of our other saleable players they will be sold, most fans also accept that eventually ST prices had to rise, despite the team going slightly backwards since they were introduced. The 'official' announcement of most of those at once makes it a much harder pill to swallow. This is compounded by the general cynicism that any players sold will be for undisclosed fees, often significantly less than the fans value them, prospective stand delays (note I am not saying it will be), and the regular announcement of a reduced budget before it can be properly calculated makes some fans rightly sceptical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 If the charge to transfer was nothing (which you seem to be suggesting) then there's a pretty clear risk that everyone would want to move across and pretty much leave the other stands empty. The new stand is a limited resource and will attract a premium, so the £30 charge is pretty sensible. And the idea that you can't "upset" supporters by actually charging them extra for something that gives them extra is a bit, erm, well unbusinesslike. So why have season ticket sales fallen so much when we have these glorious new facilities to look forward to (eventually}? Is that businesslike? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 They haven't told us what the price for the new stand will be. The £30 charge is an "administration fee". Many may have taken the view that it's better to wait to buy rather to pay the going rate now and then an extra £30 at a later stage. I still don't understand what you're saying. Are you suggesting we'll have to pay the £30 and then some more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I still don't understand what you're saying. Are you suggesting we'll have to pay the £30 and then some more? 30 quid if the stand opens in October, maybe not terrible. If it opens in February and they still want 30 quid off you, not so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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