Ritchierich Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Poleon is :censored:e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 (edited) What we all saw in him when he destroyed us for Bury Who was our full back that day? Edited December 13, 2014 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIKI1234 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 (edited) What we all saw in him when he destroyed us for Bury I don't recall this, is this the same game JCH also destroyed us yet we won 1-0? Genuine question. Or a different game? Edited December 13, 2014 by NIKI1234 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 I don't recall this, is this the same game JCH also destroyed us yet we won 1-0? Genuine question. No, we were at home on a Tuesday night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 I don't recall this, is this the same game JCH also destroyed us yet we won 1-0? Genuine question. A Tuesday night at BP, about 4 seasons ago. Bury won 2-0 he tore us a new one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIKI1234 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 No, we were at home on a Tuesday night. Cheers, didn't think I remembered him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeroyboy Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Superb parenting from a wily old fox. LJ, trying to be tricky, was put firmly in his place - lesson learned. I don't think they came to defend either. They pressed us like a car crusher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hands on Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 A player is put out of position and we wonder why he can't perform and call him all sorts of names. This was a management and coaching blunder which I have not seen before in 30 years. We have been well beaten by better teams but if you set out to lose that was the way to do it. Pat on the back from Gary and a reminder to keep it simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EASTLEY Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Agreed about the quality, and some have got to go, but do we really need 4 first team coaches to the detriment of a goal poacher? Why do Rachubka and Kenny need a younger or any goalkeeping coach? Can I ask why you don't think keepers need a coach? In my opinion you can't coach someone whose skillset is very different in exactly the same way as outfield players who in bigger clubs have different coaches specialising in all areas. A striker or midfielder isn't going to be able to help a keeper analyse weaknesses in his game and create drills to help them work through it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 (edited) Can I ask why you don't think keepers need a coach? In my opinion you can't coach someone whose skillset is very different in exactly the same way as outfield players who in bigger clubs have different coaches specialising in all areas. A striker or midfielder isn't going to be able to help a keeper analyse weaknesses in his game and create drills to help them work through it. I'd question if there's any point coaching in the tooth keepers like Kenny and Rachubka. But I don't think our keeper coach will free up a wage big enough for a decent League One player. Edited December 14, 2014 by opinions4u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 I'd question if there's any point coaching in the tooth keepers like Kenny and Rachubka. But I don't think our keeper coach will free up a wage big enough for a decent League One player. Exactly, especially as he is also our sports science guy so it is probably only half his wage, to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisbrogan Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Can I ask why you don't think keepers need a coach? In my opinion you can't coach someone whose skillset is very different in exactly the same way as outfield players who in bigger clubs have different coaches specialising in all areas. A striker or midfielder isn't going to be able to help a keeper analyse weaknesses in his game and create drills to help them work through it. Couldn't agree more. Goalkeepers, whatever their age, need a specialised coach. All clubs use them, at all levels and have done for years. The suggestion that we don't need one because two of our current squad have already played a few games is madness. May as well do without all coaches as they've all had enough coaching to become professional footballers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 A manager, assistant manager and a first team coach..all looked as clueless as the players..do we really need a first team and goalkeeping coaches?..wasted wages imo..LJ and Tommy are all that's needed..Big Joe and Donachie mangaged it a top level on their own. Don't know the wages of our coaches - although I have to disagree with you on your point BP, the role of a manager means that he can't coach full time and different ideas, perspectives. are valuable - however here's an interesting bit about York City and what they are looking, and paying, for. a Development Phase Coach "The development phase coach salary will be commensurate with experience but will be circa £22,500 a year with candidates needing to be qualified to UEFA A level and boasting a proven track record of inspired leadership of development phase coaching. For details of the job description, visit http://www.yorkcityfootballclub.co.uk/news/article/job-opportunity-2134310.aspx" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 (edited) Don't know the wages of our coaches - although I have to disagree with you on your point BP, the role of a manager means that he can't coach full time and different ideas, perspectives. are valuable - however here's an interesting bit about York City and what they are looking, and paying, for. a Development Phase Coach "The development phase coach salary will be commensurate with experience but will be circa £22,500 a year with candidates needing to be qualified to UEFA A level and boasting a proven track record of inspired leadership of development phase coaching. For details of the job description, visit http://www.yorkcityfootballclub.co.uk/news/article/job-opportunity-2134310.aspx" The point is Pete both LJ and Tommy are highly qualified coaches and these players aren't teenagers who need constant coaching, they normally have a full week to prepare for games. The goalkeeper coach aspect baffles me, why do experienced keepers need one ? (except it seems a trendy thing these days), someone like Rachubka could play and still coach the kids. As for the first team coach, just what has he brought to the team so far ? Being a fan of John Hardie and Jimmy Rollo you might know who their goalkeepers coaches were back then? I am pretty certain Harry Dowd never had a coach in his career and would have given one short shrift, maybe the game is getting too technical (yesterday's game being a prime example) and natural instincts are being stifled? I can tell you this, if Duncan Watmore signs in January as reports suggest you cannot tinker about with his style of play, he is a dangerous direct runner, you just give him the ball and let him get on with what he does best. Edited December 14, 2014 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisbrogan Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Keeper coaching is hardly 'trendy'. They've been around decades and Goram certainly had one when he was here. I heard something on the radio a couple of weeks back about how Brazil used one in 1958 as an example of how they developed the game. I'm sure Van Gaal sees great benefit in them based on how he tries to ensure that Frans Hoek goes everywhere with him. Without them a keeper wouldn't stand a chance at performing well in the modern game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 I agree. We only need a manager and maybe an all-round coach, who covers all positions; GKs and outfield positions. That person could also do the kit man role too; thats not too hard. The manager could do the physio role too; you know, doubling up like. The players can do their own training and drills, they know what they're doing. They can have a fag at half time too, with a wee dram of whiskey to warm them up and relax them, and they can play with a real, proper leather ball whilst they're at it 'n all... #amf #itwassomuchbetterintheolddays #oldschool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 I agree. We only need a manager and maybe an all-round coach, who covers all positions; GKs and outfield positions. That person could also do the kit man role too; thats not too hard. The manager could do the physio role too; you know, doubling up like. The players can do their own training and drills, they know what they're doing. They can have a fag at half time too, with a wee dram of whiskey to warm them up and relax them, and they can play with a real, proper leather ball whilst they're at it 'n all... #amf #itwassomuchbetterintheolddays #oldschool Players are too mollycoddled these days Sly, and jesting apart I think you know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stargazer Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Every time Everton played here back in the day , I seem to recollect Southall (probably the best keeper on the planet) practicing shooting rather than saves. The modern day obsession with coaching staff & Uefa badges is a ludicrous growth industry. How many times do these super qualified up managers wait until going a goal down , before magically sending a sub on straight after , it looks hapless every time I see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Every time Everton played here back in the day , I seem to recollect Southall (probably the best keeper on the planet) practicing shooting rather than saves. The modern day obsession with coaching staff & Uefa badges is a ludicrous growth industry. How many times do these super qualified up managers wait until going a goal down , before magically sending a sub on straight after , it looks hapless every time I see it. It's a simple game over complicated by scientific theories, mathematical formations, and unfathomable tactics creating jobs which never existed in the past. I am waiting for the next manager come up with a brand new team shape, how about this one it's not been tried yet and will be a sensation. Mind you I'm a dinosaur, so progress is all that matters I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 It's pretty simple. Things evolve & develop over time. Everything. I mean, medicine, industry, technology.....sport. Look at any of the various sports out there, take your pick. They've developed, changed, evolved and are now different games from what they were previously as a result. I mean, take any of them: Cricket, both codes of Rugby.....heck, take Badminton. They've adapted, changed and now are completely different to their precious incarnations - for the better i'd say in most if not all cases. Footballs changed. You know what irks me? People harping on about 'the good old days' or 'well, it wasnt like that 40 years ago' etc. Of course it's different, and isnt like it was, its moved on. Everything has... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 (edited) Even the music has evolved..yet many young people say the 60s and 70s were the best. You cant beat quality in any era. They advertised on ITV last night Ed Sheeran, singer of the century..I don't think so. Edited December 14, 2014 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Even the music has evolved..yet many young people say the 60s and 70s were the best. You cant beat quality in any era. They advertised on ITV last night Ed Sheeran, singer of the century..I don't think so. Plagiarist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Not heard of him before o4u, but prefer him to Sheeran, he has quite a soulful voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIZZO83 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 I cant believe that people are having a pop at us having a GK coach, isn't he about 22 years old, probably on about £20k a year if that. The problem is LJ thinks he has to be clever, he believes his own hype, his own media spin, all the talk of playoffs from LJ, Corney and players and its not even XMAS. Why cant we just go under the radar, but no LJ wants to work the media and the fan, the players must think they just turn up and win! well they are wrong, LJ is wrong, we are not a playoff team, playoff teams are decided in April and May so keep your mouth shut work hard and see where we end up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 I cant believe that people are having a pop at us having a GK coach, isn't he about 22 years old, probably on about £20k a year if that. The problem is LJ thinks he has to be clever, he believes his own hype, his own media spin, all the talk of playoffs from LJ, Corney and players and its not even XMAS. Why cant we just go under the radar, but no LJ wants to work the media and the fan, the players must think they just turn up and win! well they are wrong, LJ is wrong, we are not a playoff team, playoff teams are decided in April and May so keep your mouth shut work hard and see where we end up. We need someone to do fan interviews outside the ground after matches. You could be our very own Andy Tate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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