the_mighty_bosh Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I'm probably one of the only ones but.... I :censored:ing hope not. I rate him as a manager but there's absolutely no way I'd want him back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Hi All, Didn't go today was at Shrewsbury though and the performance was pretty poor. Trouble I think we have with Kelly is that he is learning on the job with no experience. LJ was also learning but had his Dad giving him a view into football management. As far as I know Kelly also hasn't played at a high level therefore hasn't had great managers to learn from. My worry is we have employed somebody who is probably a very good coach but probably needs a no 1 in front of him at this stage of career. Maybe he will learn quickly though, my guess would be so long as we are not cut adrift he will be ok until the start of December. That will be by when he is expected to show strong signs of development. Not sure calling for his head will do anything but provoke more of a them and us situation as well as a more inwardly facing board. I think he is there til Xmas whatever, hopefully by then as a previous poster has said the stand is open and we have improved. Then a decision to stick or twist will probably made. Just guessing though Johnson, for all people now dislike him, is a bright feller. Kelly isn't. Johnson has all sorts of contacts in the games. Kelly doesn't really appear to have the same sort of network. Johnson was also a lot better at winning the fans over. I wasn't happy with the appointment of Johnson as I thought, and still do, that the primary reason that he got the job was that he was the cheapest option. More often than not, that approach won't pan out well. But, with Johnson, the club had stumbled upon a guy who will probably go on to have a reasonably successful career in management (although, he might not be at Barnsley long if he doesn't start getting results). With Kelly, the board's approach was the same - another dirt cheap option - I don't think he has the knowledge or intelligence to learn as quickly as Johnson did and I don't envisage a long career in management for him. Perhaps he'll prove me wrong but I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 If it can't be Shez or Redfearn next I want a horrible old bastard who'll call Corney a :censored: if he even mentions "badges"... You mean Rick Holden? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 You mean Rick Holden? We can but dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I'd have LJ back but only if he agreed not to act like a kid in a sweetshop with signing players.... "Here's your squad Lee, sign a proper striker by all means but that's it....." We could be very, very good together if he's had his wings clipped and settled down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I :censored:ing hope not, the way he went about leaving is was disgraceful How? A better job was available. He applied for it and got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Not been anti Daz but he won't be lasting long if that first half becomes the norm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 You mean Rick Holden? He's not old enough or horrible enough.... I'd actually LOVE to get Ronnie Moore back as I type this John Sitton as his assistant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayItLivo Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 (edited) No to Shez. The players he had in his squad over those 3 years are much better than the ones we have now. I don't think he'd fare better than last time. Edited September 5, 2015 by PlayItLivo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Johnson, for all people now dislike him, is a bright feller. Kelly isn't. Johnson has all sorts of contacts in the games. Kelly doesn't really appear to have the same sort of network. Johnson was also a lot better at winning the fans over. I wasn't happy with the appointment of Johnson as I thought, and still do, that the primary reason that he got the job was that he was the cheapest option. More often than not, that approach won't pan out well. But, with Johnson, the club had stumbled upon a guy who will probably go on to have a reasonably successful career in management (although, he might not be at Barnsley long if he doesn't start getting results). With Kelly, the board's approach was the same - another dirt cheap option - I don't think he has the knowledge or intelligence to learn as quickly as Johnson did and I don't envisage a long career in management for him. Perhaps he'll prove me wrong but I doubt it. We needed a goalscorer..Devante Cole was available from just down the road..goes to Barnsley..2 games, 2 goals..6 points. Have we lost touch with the local scene scouting wise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 He's not old enough or horrible enough.... I'd actually LOVE to get Ronnie Moore back as I type this John Sitton as his assistant. Forte, you can team up with Poleon if you like and we'll have a right sort out in here, you can get someone else in as well and you can bring your dinner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshawlatic Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 (edited) How? A better job was available. He applied for it and got it. He was seen at said better job the night before he left - I don't know how it works in your line of employment but had I done a similar act id be sacked on the spot Edited September 5, 2015 by JWhite101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 (edited) We needed a goalscorer..Devante Cole was available from just down the road..goes to Barnsley..2 games, 2 goals..6 points. Have we lost touch with the local scene scouting wise? Or maybe we just need to create chances for the strikers we've already got? Edited September 5, 2015 by JoeP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 He was seen at said better job the night before he left - I don't know how it works in your line of employment but had I done a similar act id be sacked on the spot So? You already had the new job....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I'd have LJ back but only if he agreed not to act like a kid in a sweetshop with signing players.... "Here's your squad Lee, sign a proper striker by all means but that's it....." We could be very, very good together if he's had his wings clipped and settled down. Actually, I take it back https://twitter.com/WestStandBogs/status/640220137174515712 https://twitter.com/WestStandBogs/status/640225306205364224 "Corridor of Confusion" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EASTLEY Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Johnson, for all people now dislike him, is a bright feller. Kelly isn't. Johnson has all sorts of contacts in the games. Kelly doesn't really appear to have the same sort of network. Johnson was also a lot better at winning the fans over. I wasn't happy with the appointment of Johnson as I thought, and still do, that the primary reason that he got the job was that he was the cheapest option. More often than not, that approach won't pan out well. But, with Johnson, the club had stumbled upon a guy who will probably go on to have a reasonably successful career in management (although, he might not be at Barnsley long if he doesn't start getting results). With Kelly, the board's approach was the same - another dirt cheap option - I don't think he has the knowledge or intelligence to learn as quickly as Johnson did and I don't envisage a long career in management for him. Perhaps he'll prove me wrong but I doubt it. I don't disagree, don't know the fella, think he is probably a good no 2 as I allude to, but what is clear is he is learning on the job and is starting from a much lower base than LJ. I don't think the recruits are poor but still feel we miss a goal scorer. However round holes and square pegs is asking for failure and that seems to be where we are headed, Mike Jones is a CM and Forte isn't a lone striker. Danny P is also not a defensive midfielder, why are we trying to recreate these players positions. They are experienced players who have long since found their position, experimentation came much earlier in these particular individuals' career. I am worried Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusunga_Is_God Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Lee Johnsons powerpoint discovered http://www.scienceandfootball.com/Uploads/sf-presentation---lee-johnson--nathan-winderpdf.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisA Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 No to Shez. The players he had in his squad over those 3 years are much better than the ones we have now. I don't think he'd fare better than last time. I don't think he particularly enjoyed having to explain himself to an estate agent after defeats anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I've gone :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusunga_Is_God Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I've gone :lol: :lol: 'GET IT DOWN THE BOMB ALLEY LADS' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Actually, I take it back https://twitter.com/WestStandBogs/status/640220137174515712 https://twitter.com/WestStandBogs/status/640225306205364224 "Corridor of Confusion" Spin and Slide Zone and Bomb Alley: sounds like the blueprint for a swimming baths So this is what you need to get a job in the Football League... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 "We spin and slide as we fall in love" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Can anyone find Ronnie's book of philosophy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 If BP1960 reads that there will be seats flying all over the show at BP next week... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 "We spin and slide as we fall in love" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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