LT_SMASH Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Can't wait until we offer him a way back in to football... http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35546894 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Hahahaha, well funny that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayItLivo Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 This joke hit its peak when that bint on the football hour on GMR naively read out a tweet joking that we should sign him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddog Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Yep. Very old now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) Can't wait until we offer him a way back in to football... http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35546894 Maximum sentence is fourteen years - he might be past his best by then... Edited February 11, 2016 by TheBigDog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshawlatic Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) Maximum sentence is fourteen years - he might be past his best by then... In my experience of working in the judiciary he will get no where near that - 4 years at most I reckon Edited February 11, 2016 by JWhite101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshawlatic Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Out in two ? Stupid pillock another ex City player as well. Yep... And he will probably get less as I imagine the underage girl was 15 or 14 at the youngest (I have no knowledge of the case) which though by no means makes it right is viewed in law as less serious than a minor 13yrs or younger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Can't wait until we offer him a way back in to football... http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35546894 I can see a certain person pleading he deserves a second chance.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wozzer Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Yep... And he will probably get less as I imagine the underage girl was 15 or 14 at the youngest (I have no knowledge of the case) which though by no means makes it right is viewed in law as less serious than a minor 13yrs or younger She was 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 She was 15 We're in graham Rix 12 months territory then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midsblue Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I'm uncertain of the facts but I'm sure the red tops will be spouting their 'facts' over the weekend. If he didn't genuinely know her age but she looked older and chased him then I do feel sorry of the lad regardless of him being a footballer or not. However he's admitted to grooming so it appears to be two-way chasing or him using his position to influence. Again, if he genuinely didn't know her age then using his fame isn't criminal but he's charged with grooming because she's underage. Sunderland and Adidas have immediately taken the moral high ground and left the lad high and dry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I don't think they had much choice really once he admitted guilt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardOafc Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Yep... And he will probably get less as I imagine the underage girl was 15 or 14 at the youngest (I have no knowledge of the case) which though by no means makes it right is viewed in law as less serious than a minor 13yrs or younger I'm sure I read somewhere, that he used to drive past her,when she was in her school uniform, and decided to stop one day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_blue Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I'm uncertain of the facts but I'm sure the red tops will be spouting their 'facts' over the weekend. If he didn't genuinely know her age but she looked older and chased him then I do feel sorry of the lad regardless of him being a footballer or not. However he's admitted to grooming so it appears to be two-way chasing or him using his position to influence. Again, if he genuinely didn't know her age then using his fame isn't criminal but he's charged with grooming because she's underage. Sunderland and Adidas have immediately taken the moral high ground and left the lad high and dry Moral high ground???? He has pleaded guilty to grooming and sexual activity with a 15yr old!!!!! Not sure many jobs that would not sack someone on those charges. He could even still be found guilty on the further 2 charges he's denied! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshawlatic Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I'm uncertain of the facts but I'm sure the red tops will be spouting their 'facts' over the weekend. If he didn't genuinely know her age but she looked older and chased him then I do feel sorry of the lad regardless of him being a footballer or not. However he's admitted to grooming so it appears to be two-way chasing or him using his position to influence. Again, if he genuinely didn't know her age then using his fame isn't criminal but he's charged with grooming because she's underage. Sunderland and Adidas have immediately taken the moral high ground and left the lad high and dry If he genuinely didn't know her age he wouldn't have pleaded guilty - since that fact is the fundamental defence to the crime in question. What the circumstances of the two charges which he still denies I don't know - unless it's a tactic of why would I lie to these two when I've admitted the other in the hope of being acquitted of those two and getting a more lenient sentence for pleading guilty to the others. He will get less for two crimes than 4 I guess And as for moral high ground - I imagine most employers would be sacking someone once they admitted to grooming and having sex with a schoolgirl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_blue Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 He new she was 15. She was a Sunderland season ticket holder and he was her favourite player. @JoshHalliday is reporting live from the trial and has tweeted updates today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wozzer Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 He new she was 15. She was a Sunderland season ticket holder and he was her favourite player. @JoshHalliday is reporting live from the trial and has tweeted updates today! I'm not doubting what you're saying, he has admitted guilt after all but how does her being a Sunderland season ticket holder prove he knew she was 15 - did she show him her child season ticket? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_blue Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I'm not doubting what you're saying, he has admitted guilt after all but how does her being a Sunderland season ticket holder prove he knew she was 15 - did she show him her child season ticket? He has said it himself he new she was 15 and he asked her when she's 16 in a text message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisbrogan Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 When this case was first reported, there were huge amounts on social media claiming that Johnson didn't know her age & what was she doing in a nightclub anyway. The live reporting of the case shows how clueless & :censored: people are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshawlatic Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) I'm not doubting what you're saying, he has admitted guilt after all but how does her being a Sunderland season ticket holder prove he knew she was 15 - did she show him her child season ticket? You don't seem to understand the offence (from the Sexual Offences Act 2003) A person aged 18 or over (A) commits an offence if— (a)he intentionally touches another person (the touching is sexual, and ©either— (i)B is under 16 and A does not reasonably believe that B is 16 or over, or (ii)B is under 13. If he genuinely believed she was 16 or above he is by definition not guilty of the offence. It is for the court to decide if this belief was genuine, he has admitted guilt therefore admitting he knew her age Edited February 12, 2016 by JWhite101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardie Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 When this case was first reported, there were huge amounts on social media claiming that Johnson didn't know her age & what was she doing in a nightclub anyway. The live reporting of the case shows how clueless & :censored: people are. It also demonstrates how people jump onto Twitter etc and spout their garbage, before what they are writing sinks into their brains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshawlatic Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Setting everything else aside reading those tweets from court he's completely fu**ed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 On the 'not guilty' bits, from what I can see so far (I'll stand to be corrected) it is just the prosecution's case that has been heard so far. It doesn't sound good (from the bits considered important by non-lawyer journalists) but the defence hasn't yet made its case, nor has anybody given any evidence. I am not defending him in any way, what he has admitted guilt of is disgusting, but as always happens people are reporting 'facts' when they should be considered allegations at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wozzer Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 You don't seem to understand the offence (from the Sexual Offences Act 2003) A person aged 18 or over (A) commits an offence if (a)he intentionally touches another person (the touching is sexual, and ©either (i)B is under 16 and A does not reasonably believe that B is 16 or over, or (ii)B is under 13. If he genuinely believed she was 16 or above he is by definition not guilty of the offence. It is for the court to decide if this belief was genuine, he has admitted guilt therefore admitting he knew her age I'm as familiar with the legislation as I need to be, I was merely questioning how the poster inferred he knew her age from the fact she was a season ticket holder and he was her favourite player. I have a season ticket and I have a favourite player but I am also substantially over the legal age of consent. I will admit that I'm not following court proceedings as voraciously as some so I won't comment further on occasional snippets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I'm as familiar with the legislation as I need to be, I was merely questioning how the poster inferred he knew her age from the fact she was a season ticket holder and he was her favourite player. I have a season ticket and I have a favourite player but I am also substantially over the legal age of consent. I will admit that I'm not following court proceedings as voraciously as some so I won't comment further on occasional snippets. Facebook messages in evidence suggest he knew. Allegedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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