leeslover Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 As correctly reported in the Chron http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news-features/8/news-headlines/100581/fans-bid-to-protect-stadium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostofcecere Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Is this the Trust being proactive or reactive to information received leeslover? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted November 7, 2016 Author Share Posted November 7, 2016 It's been something the Trust (Simon Colebrooke in particular) have been looking at for some time, it's not a reaction to any particular issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostofcecere Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Thanks. Good to hear the current owners have been supportive of the move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Thought it meant me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted November 7, 2016 Author Share Posted November 7, 2016 Thanks. Good to hear the current owners have been supportive of the move. Yes. It could have been done without their support but it's much preferable to have them onside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Well done to all. Hope that it succeeds and speedily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stagger Lee Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Thought it meant me. ha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philliggi Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 What does this actually mean. What are the benefits. Don't mean to sound derogatory i genuinely don't know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted November 7, 2016 Author Share Posted November 7, 2016 What does this actually mean. What are the benefits. Don't mean to sound derogatory i genuinely don't knowBasically if the owners decide they want to sell the ground and some associated land they can't just do a deal and move on, the Trust and Council have to be notified and it gives a period of time that we could use to come up with alternative proposals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philliggi Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 So basically they couldn't sell it for houses from under our noses then? Take it it's worth the paper it's written on and not summat they could easily find a loophole in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 What does this actually mean. What are the benefits. Don't mean to sound derogatory i genuinely don't know Basically if the owners decide they want to sell the ground and some associated land they can't just do a deal and move on, the Trust and Council have to be notified and it gives a period of time that we could use to come up with alternative proposals. So basically they couldn't sell it for houses from under our noses then? Take it it's worth the paper it's written on and not summat they could easily find a loophole in The Chron says The Trust get six months to buy the ground it in the event of BrassBank (or other future owners) proposing to sell it. I assume this means that The Trust would need to come up with more money than whatever deal BrassBank struck with someone else. Surely it's still upto TTA which offer they'd accept though? Still, 6 months to do something about it is better than no time at all. I'm hoping (I think) this has come about due new owners becoming a more realistic prospect..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 How does it work if the sale of the ground was part of a deal for the sale of the whole shebang - which it probably would be? Are the Trust able to waive their right to the 6 months to speed things through? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Is this good news then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 (edited) It gets a bit "legal" and I haven't got the brain capacity...but here is a summary from another webpage A building or land in your councils area can be listed as an asset of community value if: current primary use of the building/land or use of the building/land in the recent past furthers the social well-being or social interests (cultural, recreational, or sporting interests) of the local community it is realistic to think that now or in the next five years there could continue to be primary use of the building/land which will further the social well-being or social interests of the local community (whether or not in the same way as before) Owners of listed assets cannot dispose of them without: letting the local authority know that they intend to sell the asset or grant a lease of more than 25 years waiting until the end of a six week interim moratorium period if the local authority does not receive a request from a community interest group to be treated as a potential bidder waiting until the end of a six month full moratorium period if the local authority does receive a request from a community interest group to be treated as a potential bidder Yes it's a good thing and a first in the borough of Oldham. Think councils who sell community building like libraries and they are demolished/ sold for another purpose without the community having any say or way to at least have a bash at raising the funds/trying to save the building. It at least gives us the fans a legal way of protecting our club in some way/buying some time so to speak. Not many sporting organisations have done this yet, some have met resistance from their owners some have been supported by their owners. We have at the least the support of ours landlords/land owners Edited November 14, 2016 by underdog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Surely it's still upto TTA which offer they'd accept though? That is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 (edited) Q and A fact sheet copied on from the trust website. Hope it helps If youre sat there wondering what on earth the listing of Boundary Park as an Asset of Community Value (ACV) really means for Oldham Athletic Football Club, here is a brief summary: What does the ACV status actually mean? It will mean that if Brassbank Limited or Oldham Athletic (2004) Limited ever decide to sell the ground, parts of the ground, or the land that it sits upon in the next 5 years there needs to be a notification placed with Oldham Council and Trust Oldham. If the fans or local community wishes to put together a bid through the Trust, we have up to six months to raise awareness, campaign, and raise the funds to make an offer. This offer only needs to match or (if we wish) improve the existing offer, which we would have full disclosure of. Isnt Boundary Park already protected? Yes, there is an existing agreement with the landlords regarding the leasing of the ground for 2031 with the provision to extend this by another 15 years beyond that. then whats the point of the ACV? The key thing is that the present leases and agreement dont provide a right for the community to bid for the asset should it ever come up for sale. Money talks, and whilst the agreements in place are legally solid, the fans could still be excluded from a major decision on the future of the land. Our application, if successful, ensures that any part of the ground cannot be sold without supporters knowing that was going to happen, as any decision to dispose of ownership would need to be notified first. Will this prevent future redevelopment of Boundary Park? No, certainly not. The ACV would only become useful in the event that Brassbank or Oldham Athletic decide to sell parts of the ground or the land that it lies upon. Improvements to the existing facilities, including possible future expansion of the North Stand, or any other parts of the ground, are not prevented by an ACV status. Furthermore, The Trust has always supported the redevelopment of Boundary Park and remains committed to work with the landlords and club to facilitate this. Why now? The relevant legislation bringing into force the Assets of Community Value and Community Right to Bid only commenced late in 2012. We were aware that other Trusts had submitted ACV applications to protect football grounds last year and wished to see those nominations run their courses through the approval and appeal processes. We considered it was an appropriate time to learn from the test cases and push ahead with the Boundary Park nomination. We feel the time to take control of the situation was now. Have you discussed this with the club? The Trust has been in discussions with the landlords through the last 3 months. With our permanent seat on the board, we felt it was more important to focus on the taking the time to give the landlords the full picture with regards to our reasons for the application. They are very supportive of this move and see it as reinforcing their desire to see the football club remain on the site. We look forward to discussing the ACV status with the club and other supporters groups in due course. What happens next? We await Oldham Council reviewing the ACV application and any questions this may raise. We spoke with the local MP and other key council contacts in putting the application together and we are therefore hoping the application addresses any concerns in advance. Our application was based on similar successful ones across all division of football, though as it is the first ACV application handled by Oldham Council we are very much in their hands. The ACV status will only be triggered should the landlords decide to sell the land or parts of Boundary Park. At that point the Trust would be notified and a local community bid could then be prepared to try to buy Boundary Park if it was felt appropriate. A further six month period would be provided to raise awareness, raise funds and develop a business plan. There is no certainty that any bid would be accepted as it could be in competition with other parties and may not meet any valuation for the site. If you have any further questions about the ACV, or anything else Trust related, please let us know. Edited November 19, 2016 by underdog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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