Dave_Og Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 During radio commentary yesterday it was mentioned that, with Arsenal this season, we jointly hold the PL record for the most goals scored in a season from corners. Remarkable if true! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: During radio commentary yesterday it was mentioned that, with Arsenal this season, we jointly hold the PL record for the most goals scored in a season from corners. Remarkable if true! Unfortunately we've not even looked like scoring any the past season due to a lack of movement, desire and a Rick Holden or Neil Adams. Edited May 20 by Bobledgersheart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Neil Pointon did score 2 in 1 season directly from corners in 92/93 I'm guessing that was the year in question as we finished 3rd highest scorers in the league that season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 11 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said: Neil Pointon did score 2 in 1 season directly from corners in 92/93 I'm guessing that was the year in question as we finished 3rd highest scorers in the league that season. I wonder if Hearts used Statbomb to sign Pointon from us... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 24 minutes ago, JoeP said: I wonder if Hearts used Statbomb to sign Pointon from us... Well he could bomb down the flank leaving a few casualties on the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 4 hours ago, JoeP said: I wonder if Hearts used Statbomb to sign Pointon from us... I don't know but I reckon there was some old timer telling everyone to do it like we used to do in the old days, and this Internet lark is a fad and it's far too complicated for people yet here we are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 46 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said: I don't know but I reckon there was some old timer telling everyone to do it like we used to do in the old days, and this Internet lark is a fad and it's far too complicated for people yet here we are. Won't be me, I'm a computer whiz kid having worked on them since the 1980s, not only that I was a data analyst. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, BP1960 said: Won't be me, I'm a computer whiz kid having worked on them since the 1980s, not only that I was a data analyst. As I said on another thread and that we both agreed on. The stats data stuff is there to help people not necessarily to replace them. Their was a story at Man City in 2011/12 where a data analyst came to Roberto Mancini after having studied over 400 corners and found the most effective ones were inswinging corners usually to the near post. It was initially scoffed at as someone who had never played football. But halfway through the season City changed their corner routine and started putting inswinging corners in. The results paid dividends in the derby late in that season where Vincent Kompany got on the end of 1 to beat United 1-0 and give City a decisive edge in the title race. Going back to 92/93 season Pointon would swing corners in from the right hand side and scored 2 direct from Corners. Neil Adams famously scored 1 at the back post vs United from an inswinging corner and Darren Beckford scored 1 at the near post vs Liverpool. We also had Richard Jobson coming in at the back post so the delivery was effective and we had the right people attacking it. Edited May 20 by GlossopLatic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, GlossopLatic said: As I said on another thread and that we both agreed on. The stats data stuff is there to help people not necessarily to replace them. Their was a story at Man City in 2011/12 where a data analyst came to Roberto Mancini after having studied over 400 corners and found the most effective ones were inswinging corners usually to the near post. It was initially scoffed at as someone who had never played football. But halfway through the season City changed their corner routine and started putting inswinging corners in. The results paid dividends in the derby late in that season where Vincent Kompany got on the end of 1 to beat United 1-0 and give City a decisive edge in the title race. Going back to 92/93 season Pointon would swing corners in from the right hand side and scored 2 direct from Corners. Neil Adams famously scored 1 at the back post vs United from an inswinging corner and Darren Beckford scored 1 at the near post vs Liverpool. We also had Richard Jobson coming in at the back post so the delivery was effective and we had the right people attacking it. Despite all that good analysis years ago why do we still do little from set plays and no one shows to receive our throw ins? I guess the quality of management, coaches and players comes into it? Edited May 20 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 5 hours ago, BP1960 said: Despite all that good analysis years ago why do we still do little from set plays and no one shows to receive our throw ins? I guess the quality of management, coaches and players comes into it? Despite all that managing and coaching years ago why do we still do little from set plays and no one shows to receive our throw ins? I guess the quality of analysis comes into it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 (edited) 6 hours ago, BP1960 said: Despite all that good analysis years ago why do we still do little from set plays and no one shows to receive our throw ins? I guess the quality of management, coaches and players comes into it? Yes ofcourse they do but so to do does a consistent approach and players that are familiar with each other. All these years of chopping and changing players and managers hasn't helped us one bit. In 1992 we had a manager that had been there a decade and a number of players who had been at the club over a number of years. Edited May 21 by GlossopLatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 1 hour ago, GlossopLatic said: Yes ofcourse they do but so to do does a consistent approach and players that are familiar with each other. All these years of chopping and changing players and managers hasn't helped us one bit. In 1992 we had a manager that had been there a decade and a number of players who had been at the club over a number of years. Is the concept of getting on the end of a corner not something a professional footballer should be able to do from day one? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 36 minutes ago, JoeP said: Is the concept of getting on the end of a corner not something a professional footballer should be able to do from day one? Exactly. I’m guessing it’s more about players not doing what they are asked to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester Owl Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 35 minutes ago, JoeP said: Is the concept of getting on the end of a corner not something a professional footballer should be able to do from day one? Agreed. Clearly not in our case given the lack of goalscoring contributions from the defence - 1 (ONE!!!) league goal all season (Hogan). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 43 minutes ago, JoeP said: Is the concept of getting on the end of a corner not something a professional footballer should be able to do from day one? It's that simple isn't it? Yet why is it that all the top clubs are now employing specialist set piece coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted May 21 Author Share Posted May 21 1 hour ago, JoeP said: Is the concept of getting on the end of a corner not something a professional footballer should be able to do from day one? I once scored eight in a Sunday League season from centre half. Seven headers and one with my knee. Never did achieve my ambition of scoring one with a foot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 33 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said: It's that simple isn't it? I mean I think you're making it sound more complicated than it is... As I say, Arsenal for example have the resources to spend money on set-piece coaches. And why not? If something they coach works once and it creates the goal that gets them into the Champions League then it'll be worth it to them financially. But at the end of the day, it's just a corner. Especially at our level, it needs little more variation than "get it in the mixer towards the big man"/don't hit it straight into the side-netting like Gardner did this season. We shouldn't need to keep a manager for ten years before we learn how to take a corner....set piece coaches or no set-piece coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 9 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: I once scored eight in a Sunday League season from centre half. Seven headers and one with my knee. Never did achieve my ambition of scoring one with a foot There's still time.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemel latic Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 9 hours ago, BP1960 said: Despite all that good analysis years ago why do we still do little from set plays and no one shows to receive our throw ins? I guess the quality of management, coaches and players comes into it? We are p1ss poor from restarts, way too slow and you're right, few options for the thrower. One of the things I hope improves next season is the tempo we play at. There is no urgency, this leads to lethargy and just allows the opposition to get back into shape far too easily. It's sluggish, it encourages the oppo. There's a time for patience and putting your foot on the ball, but not the whole 90 minutes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted May 21 Author Share Posted May 21 19 minutes ago, JoeP said: There's still time.. Only if I become a teenager and play FIFA obsessively in my bedroom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted May 21 Author Share Posted May 21 The only other record I know we hold is for the longest ever stay in the third tier without being promoted or relegated, We did hold t he same record for the second tier but Ipswich took that by a season a few years back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 2 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: The only other record I know we hold is for the longest ever stay in the third tier without being promoted or relegated, We did hold t he same record for the second tier but Ipswich took that by a season a few years back We're still holders of the classic "longest without a trophy or a promotion" title by some distance, aren't we? Everton in second... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted May 21 Author Share Posted May 21 2 hours ago, JoeP said: I mean I think you're making it sound more complicated than it is... As I say, Arsenal for example have the resources to spend money on set-piece coaches. And why not? If something they coach works once and it creates the goal that gets them into the Champions League then it'll be worth it to them financially. But at the end of the day, it's just a corner. Especially at our level, it needs little more variation than "get it in the mixer towards the big man"/don't hit it straight into the side-netting like Gardner did this season. We shouldn't need to keep a manager for ten years before we learn how to take a corner....set piece coaches or no set-piece coaches. The Arsenal set piece guy coached Ben White to undo the gloves of the Spurs keeper. Now that's attention to detail... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted May 21 Author Share Posted May 21 1 hour ago, Dave_Og said: The only other record I know we hold is for the longest ever stay in the third tier without being promoted or relegated, We did hold t he same record for the second tier but Ipswich took that by a season a few years back And people say that doesn't count as a trophy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: The Arsenal set piece guy coached Ben White to undo the gloves of the Spurs keeper. Now that's attention to detail... Surely that's at best bad sportsmanship and at worst cheating. I remember some of our fans being outraged at LJ for suggesting the ball boys weren't getting the ball back to our players fast enough.. I thought at the time it was a fair comment. Bonkers that it would probably be one of the most obvious things to do now. I bet some clubs have proper ball-boy coaches now, don't they?? Edited May 21 by JoeP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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