boundaryblue80 Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 (edited) I generaly feel your opinion isnt up too much and im glad to say that you have done nothing to change my mind with this post 2005 - 2006 35 starts 10 goals 2006 - 2007 51 starts (2 sub) 11 goals 86 games and 21 goals in two years! Thats a goal every four games!!! He averaged a goal every 3 games for Wigan. I think most clubs would be happy with that mate. Also didnt he play as a forward for Wigan ? Not a bad return at all for a midfilder!!!! We have players playing better than he was at the start of this season and he shouldnt be in the team right now but to call Liddell disapointing is a joke.... OAFC0000 your opinion, in my opinion, is the biggest bag of on here fella! Shame to say so, but I know what I'll be reading when your username pops up. Oh and Lids goals....plenty of Pens in there to boost his overinflated tally. If that makes you happy, you're easily pleased! Edited December 17, 2007 by boundaryblue80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Ok he's scored 21 goals (24 inc this season so far)but how many were penalties? I'll tell you, 13 were penalties and there's been a few free-kicks too so whilst 1 in 4 doesn't look too bad his goals from open play is actually very poor. Whilst people rightly bleat on about his assists ratio I think the problem I've had with him in the past is he often goes missing and looks like he couldn't give a monkeys's whilst constantly pointing at thin air. Shez has missed a trick with Lidds though, Ronnie played him as part of a forward three for the most part and he looked threatening, on the right he often looks like an old man whose legs have gone. His crossing ability is second to none but often he turns back as his creaking body fails to take him past the last man. Personally I'd play him in the hole, he's often looked good there when switched there on rare occasions. The biggest let down for me was how often we saw Liddell play for Wigan and what a cracking player he looked scoring all types of goals, we've only seen glimpses from a guy that is winding down at the end of his career. Perhaps i'm being harsh but I expected a lot more from Liddell when we signed him. Spot on Prozac....I've said all the above numerous times. And for OAFC0000 to trot out 86 starts etc. is funny....coz he would've got half of them if he wasn't a big, big name player. Shame that here, he hasn't lived up to being that. As you rightly say OP....playing him in the hole is where I've been saying for 12mths that he should be being played. We might then see the player we expected....and I really thought Shez was going to do that judging from pre-season. But then KK came in and Shez reverted to type, stuck Lids on the right again and again we looked utterly impotent! Thank god for his injury so Shez was forced into not giving him his 87th appearance! Just hope his next one is from the bench.....in the hole!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 OAFC0000 your opinion, in my opinion, is the biggest bag of on here fella! Shame to say so, but I know what I'll be reading when your username pops up. Oh and Lids goals....plenty of Pens in there to boost his overinflated tally. If that makes you happy, you're easily pleased! lol....now I know why you usally don't read my posts properly and usally miss understand my points ha ha ha Anyway Mr Sheriden...someone who forgot more about football then you will ever know wants him in the side so maybe just maybe your talking gash again lol I heard people talk about assists above....well what about build up play, good runs which confuse defenders, the fact he tracks back and helps the defence but at the same time knows when to be forward and ready for the ball. oh well......lets just stick to one off comments like his legs have gone...lol....and he cause he can't beat a 19 year old kid for pace....even though he dosnt need to cause his passing and crossing does the work for him...lol I love football fans.....ronnie moore and sheridan thought he was good but the expert opion of yourself says otherwise.....rock on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleetwood Blue Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Neil Moore, Stuart Thom,Doug Hodgeson. Neil Moore was signed on-loan from Everton i think, i remember us playing away at Burnley in 1995 it was the worst display by a latics player in history, he was useless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 oh well......lets just stick to one off comments like his legs have gone...lol....and he cause he can't beat a 19 year old kid for pace....even though he dosnt need to cause his passing and crossing does the work for him...lol And then you produce your very own one off comment....."Anyway Mr Sheriden...someone who forgot more about football then you will ever know wants him in the side so maybe just maybe your talking gash again lol" 9 games unbeaten......look like scoring every game. More than could be said when Lids was in. That's a fact you simply can't deny.....as you know all about football, it will be gash to you! By the way, was that the same Ronnie Moore you were hounding out eh OAFC0000??? Lol, go on...deny you were!....How it suits to change your many faces! I prefered the red one you had on earlier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 9 games unbeaten......look like scoring every game. More than could be said when Lids was in. That's a fact you simply can't deny.....as you know all about football, it will be gash to you! surley that has more to do with ricketts than liddell. dont remember us struggeling last year because liddell was playing. goals are goals no matter how they go in. i dont remember him being a freekick goal scoring specialist anywhere before, tips up at latics scores a cracker at swindon in his third game and latics fans expect him to do it every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 9 games unbeaten......look like scoring every game. More than could be said when Lids was in. That's a fact you simply can't deny.....as you know all about football, it will be gash to you! surley that has more to do with ricketts than liddell. dont remember us struggeling last year because liddell was playing. goals are goals no matter how they go in. i dont remember him being a freekick goal scoring specialist anywhere before, tips up at latics scores a cracker at swindon in his third game and latics fans expect him to do it every week. Lol...seriously??? You don't remember us bottling the top 2 and just surviving on the last day to stay in the playoffs??? Very very short memory.....and you don't remember him being "a freekick goal scoring specialist anywhere before".....lol.....yeah, ok! Amnesia must be awful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Lol...seriously??? You don't remember us bottling the top 2 and just surviving on the last day to stay in the playoffs??? Very very short memory.....and you don't remember him being "a freekick goal scoring specialist anywhere before".....lol.....yeah, ok! Amnesia must be awful! yes you are right, that was the right wingers fault, how stupid of me! didnt he score in the playoffs by the way. we blew it because porter was crap in the weeks leading up to the end of the season, goals stopped coming.he was top scorer remember him, wellens also bottled it in the big games.both gone from the current team along with the goalkeeper whos name i refuse to mention. how mant freekicks did he score previous then, caught alot of wigans games at springfield park did you? or just see 1 or 2 he scored for sheff utd in a cup run, 1 or 2 does not make a specialist. bet you think eyres was a specialist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 yes you are right, that was the right wingers fault, how stupid of me! didnt he score in the playoffs by the way. we blew it because porter was crap in the weeks leading up to the end of the season, goals stopped coming.he was top scorer remember him, wellens also bottled it in the big games.both gone from the current team along with the goalkeeper whos name i refuse to mention. how mant freekicks did he score previous then, caught alot of wigans games at springfield park did you? or just see 1 or 2 he scored for sheff utd in a cup run, 1 or 2 does not make a specialist. bet you think eyres was a specialist. So "dont remember us struggeling last year"....you do really then, don't you! You think other players let us down, I think our most experienced players let us down. Opinions.....Lids for me....most disappointing player ever to come to us! If you're happy with his gash before October 2006 and for most of 2007, bully for you! Easily pleased! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Buchan with the largest arris ever to grace a pair of Latics shorts. Darren Beckford filled a decent size of shorts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 So "dont remember us struggeling last year"....you do really then, don't you! You think other players let us down, I think our most experienced players let us down. Opinions.....Lids for me....most disappointing player ever to come to us! If you're happy with his gash before October 2006 and for most of 2007, bully for you! Easily pleased! i have seen us struggle over the years, i dont call spending most of the season in the top 6 struggeling, i call it progress, best season for a few years wasnt it? guess your one of the so-called fans who boos when we dont win every game.coz hadnt you heard we are world beaters after all thats why players like lids sign for us at 32 and not 24 because we are so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Nope, I've never booed a player. Not even players I can't stand. And never said I can't stand Liddell, nor that he's a bad player. I've said he's been an utter disappointment from what I expected. If he'd done what he did from Oct 06-Jan 1st 2007 then yes.....he would've been the player I expected. 3 months of effort from him from 2 and a 1/2 years. Sorry....but that's a joke, whether you like it or not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Nope, I've never booed a player. Not even players I can't stand. And never said I can't stand Liddell, nor that he's a bad player. I've said he's been an utter disappointment from what I expected. If he'd done what he did from Oct 06-Jan 1st 2007 then yes.....he would've been the player I expected. 3 months of effort from him from 2 and a 1/2 years. Sorry....but that's a joke, whether you like it or not! Lidds started well here, then had that serious Achilles injury, in the Moore season, he never has really recovered from that in my opinion. Granted he hasn't lived up to expectations, but he is far better than a lot of dross I have witnessed in my short(ish) time being a Latics fan. On another subject, did we once have that Andy Gray on loan, the one whos currently at Burnley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgard Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 So "dont remember us struggeling last year"....you do really then, don't you! You think other players let us down, I think our most experienced players let us down. Opinions.....Lids for me....most disappointing player ever to come to us! If you're happy with his gash before October 2006 and for most of 2007, bully for you! Easily pleased! think you need to step away from your keyboard for a while now,it's quite clear lids is'nt your fav.stats don't lie and he's been a decent player for us.i'm not going to get involved in a slanging match with you cos it's childish. oh and by the way if you want disappointing have a look at gregan,played out of his skin whilst on loan,gets a contract and hey presto he's in his comfort zone,tell me are you happy with his gash for most of 2007,if so...........easily pleased my friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Good grief even by the low standards of this thread Moore was truly bad. did ok at Burnley for a while but ended up at Nuneaton about his level. more clubs than Ricketts. Seeing as we're using loan players as examples and the calibre has markedly diminished over the last 24 hours, may I offer the following:- Peter Litchfield, absolutely dire! Nicky Spooner Ian Maclean Ronnie Jepson Phil Starbuck John Morrow Mark Foran Ian Ironside Ndiwa Kangana Rodney Jack David Lee Ian Thompstone (from City) Wayne Heseltine (From Man Utd) Alan Blayney Anthony 'The Judge' (PMSL) Grant Rob Scott Asa Hartford (could barely walk, never mind run!) Orpheo Keiszerweerd Nick Everingham (was supposedly the next best thing when a schoolboy, never made it!) Craig Mawson I'm sure there's some names that'll bring back terrrible memories there, remember it is only a game so don't have nightmares! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 (edited) By the way, was that the same Ronnie Moore you were hounding out eh OAFC0000??? Lol, go on...deny you were!....How it suits to change your many faces! I prefered the red one you had on earlier Oh really I think any member of the old official messageboard will clearly point out to you silly boy that I was one of the very few asking for people to give old ronnie moore time. Like many of us I was disappointed at the style of football we was playing and I could never get my head around some of his decisions BUT he grinded out results and he took us forward from the mess talbot got us in. Considering we went from relegation fodder to just missing out on the play offs meant he should of been given more time. I went mental at people that didn’t renew there season tickets. I actually had a bust up with someone while I was queuing with my season ticket the week after he left who said "i wasn’t going to buy one until he went".... I mean ffs....what’s more important the existence of the club or the manager ?? cause that’s the game some people played that summer. I think you need to be careful BB80. You spout your opinion in a very aggressive manner and your usually wrong. You were certainly wrong about this! And im sure the old members of the official site will remember me standing alone..... I know they all me standing alone in asking for Talbot to go :P We had many a happy night arguing that one out..... Anyway back on topic....Liddell would walk into most League One sides...if he is crap like some people think then he hasnt half been pulling the wool over one very experience manager and one i respect very much....I never hear negative comments about him from the manager or coaches. I don’t know...we like to have a pop at players don’t we...look at Crossely...had a slow start but doing well now...every week though we still get he should of saved this...he should of saved that....and its usually bull.... I remember a few people pointing out that Chris Taylor was a one trick pony and had been "found out" at the start of the season....really ? he is looking ok at the moment for someone who has been found out. I also thought...according to someone people...that Shez had lost the dressing room....lol...really ?? Latics fans Edited December 17, 2007 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philliggi Posted December 18, 2007 Author Share Posted December 18, 2007 Seeing as we're using loan players as examples and the calibre has markedly diminished over the last 24 hours, may I offer the following:- Peter Litchfield, absolutely dire! Nicky Spooner Ian Maclean Ronnie Jepson Phil Starbuck John Morrow Mark Foran Ian Ironside Ndiwa Kangana Rodney Jack David Lee Ian Thompstone (from City) Wayne Heseltine (From Man Utd) Alan Blayney Anthony 'The Judge' (PMSL) Grant Rob Scott Asa Hartford (could barely walk, never mind run!) Orpheo Keiszerweerd Nick Everingham (was supposedly the next best thing when a schoolboy, never made it!) Craig Mawson I'm sure there's some names that'll bring back terrrible memories there, remember it is only a game so don't have nightmares! This thread isnt about naming the worst players to ever wear the shirt, its about those who you expected to take the reins and drag us up a lvel, but ended up either doing absolutely nothing except taking home a pay packet, or actually putting a half decent performance in, but not to the standard you expected. imo Liddell is a prime candidate for debate, i agree he has bee a key squad member in the lastcouple of seasons, but he has been nowhere near the standard everyone expected upon arrival, rodney jack is another good example. the best signing in recent times, who you didnt expect much from tho has to be carss. the effort and work rate he showed coupled with a fair few motm performances are second to none. Irwin takes the overall acolade for me tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch_KTF Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 It's absolutely piss funny to still see people bleating that rubbish about Liddell! I wish I could earn 3yrs worth of cash, for 3 months effort......biggest disappointment (before ya start, that doesn't mean the worst, it means the most disappointing from what I expected!) player I've ever seen in a Latics shirt! Magical free-kicks? What 2 of them??? Stuck loads in for Wigan, Barnsley and Sheff Utd though. Oh and top of the assists table in Jan 07.....I can count his assists since on 1 hand and even then I've a few fingers to spare (no, I'm not from Burnley either!) And I bet I could count them on 1 hand from when he signed in June 05 up to Oct 06! We finally look like scoring since Liddell got injured!!! And do so score!!! Hughes has helped on that score. But the OAFC cancer that has been Andy Liddell has been cured too! Feb 2007 to Oct 2007.....gash and relegation form and Lids' passenger performances have been a big reason why! Porter didn't just turn overnight last season....Lids did and couldn't provide an ounce of ability! Since his disappearance this season.....8 unbeaten (9 overall) & 14 goals! Says it all IMO! Yeah, a bang in form Deane Smalley was making all the difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whittles left foot Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Couple of players spring to mind that have'nt been mentioned yet. Derrick Parker, signed from Barnsley, I think by Big Joe in the early days-absolute gash But worse than him, David Currie. remember being at West Brom and somebody shouting out in a lull in the action "Taxi for Currie" Priceless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Anyway back on topic....Liddell would walk into most League One sides...if he is crap like some people think Lol...thought the Moore jibe would get ya snapping. If that was your stance on Moore, fair play to you! I was pissing in the wind over on JKL too on that one! Your line above though....you really, really don't get it do you??? Re-read the title of this post. And try again. Is he crap? No, most certainly not. Disappointing.....most certainly yes. Try again.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 think you need to step away from your keyboard for a while now,it's quite clear lids is'nt your fav.stats don't lie and he's been a decent player for us.i'm not going to get involved in a slanging match with you cos it's childish. oh and by the way if you want disappointing have a look at gregan,played out of his skin whilst on loan,gets a contract and hey presto he's in his comfort zone,tell me are you happy with his gash for most of 2007,if so...........easily pleased my friend. Lol....erm....wait on....was it me pointing Gregan out last season about his frailties. About him causing unrest in defence. Blaming others for his mistakes. Ruining their confidence.....erm.......why, yes it was! Thought you might've understood I wasn't just meaning Lids when I said in the quote above "I think our most experienced players let us down." Oh...and not only a few hours ago I wrote the following... Yesterday, 16:48 PM Post #17 I've got to admit tho IC, I have enjoyed not having to myself when Gregan gets on the ball and starts fannying around with it! Like I've said, I'd have Lids in the middle, from the bench if and when we need him. But he's been disappointing....I expect more than 3 mths from 2 and a half years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 (edited) Yeah, a bang in form Deane Smalley was making all the difference We keep going forward with Smalley....not turning back into the midfield endlessly. Smalley's made some difference. And is a kid I'd rather see given a chance than someone who's legs have gone and passes backwards endlessly. Oh and Smalley comes into the middle during attacks (yep he misses glorious chances at times...at least he's there and in time he'll bag them) with Davies going wide right which has helped. Movement....interchanging players and positions. Rather than Lids who drops anchor. I know which I'd rather. And it really is no coincidence. I'm afraid pointing out to some that Lids is disappointing is like telling a bible basher than Mary was a slut! Edited December 18, 2007 by boundaryblue80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 A controversial one? Ian Olney our record signing discuss. Adding to prozacs list highly rated but did little. Gerry Creaney definately a pie contender. For older fans Tony Hateley -most memorable moment at BP falling over ball boy whilst warming up on debut. Peter Taylor did a bit but not enough. David Fairclough ? I must be the only latics fan that actually thought Ian Olney was good :P. I think some fans expected him to click instantly, which rarely happens and I remember the fanzine being very harsh to him. It was dissapointing to lose him too injury but regarding his ability and what he did during is injury free spell I wouldnt describe him a dissapoint from that angel. Didnt he score 10 goals in the prem for us ? First year in a struggling side...not too bad... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 (edited) I must be the only latics fan that actually thought Ian Olney was good :P. I think some fans expected him to click instantly, which rarely happens and I remember the fanzine being very harsh to him. It was dissapointing to lose him too injury but regarding his ability and what he did during is injury free spell I wouldnt describe him a dissapoint from that angel. Didnt he score 10 goals in the prem for us ? First year in a struggling side...not too bad... Creaney was a fat useless turd.particularly after his widely accepted worst feeble penalty miss ever vs Wolves, when the Bear went in goal! I agree re: Olney, always thought he was harshly criticised, bearing in mind the lad was pretty much a kid, he had a good touch, a good shot on him and was always dangerous in the air, he'd done ok at Villa and was seen as a bright prospect. After Sharp's back went he ended up playing over half a season up front on his own and still scored 12 League goals, no mean feat in the Prem. A lot of his goals were very important ones too. His late brace v Leeds, the late winner v Spurs, his brace v Liverpool and he put us back in the lead vs Southampton on that never to be forgotten day. The shame is , the injury that ended his career just over decade ago wouldn't have been much of a problem now with players routinely back in 6 months after a cruciate injury. Edited December 18, 2007 by oafcprozac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Would agree with Olney but I rarely hear him getting much support in discussions when his name crops up. As for Creaney that penalty was possibly the weakest attempt ever yet he had bagged loads for Celtic. I think it was that weak the keeper had to walk to the ball to save it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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