oafc0000 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Like when you hounded 'bowl' for about 4 pages the other day? I did no such things... I tried to understand his point of view... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch_KTF Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 They weren't ever denied access. They may have denied themselves access through choice. As you said yourself the change is merely a business one on the part of KFC and Subway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Damage Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Suggesting that England is only for white Christians is more than tad racist. Its text book!! So you cannot find the qoute because it does not exist. Now find the qoute that states England is only for white Christians? You sir are a typical PC Stasi who throw accusations of racism around like conffetti and then makes nasty remarks up to try to justify your intolerant attitude to anyome who has a complaint about equality in a certain direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 So you cannot find the qoute because it does not exist. Now find the qoute that states England is only for white Christians? You sir are a typical PC Stasi who throw accusations of racism around like conffetti and then makes nasty remarks up to try to justify your intolerant attitude to anyome who has a complaint about equality in a certain direction. I just shown your quote... I said Muslims should have more rights... You responded by saying "when in a foreign land" bollox... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 They weren't ever denied access. They may have denied themselves access through choice. As you said yourself the change is merely a business one on the part of KFC and Subway! You have a different view on religion than myself but I am prepared to take your point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 No it ain't irrelevent Rummy and I am sorry but that is a typical responce from the PC Stasi. Only christain white can be racist and that is far from the truth. Racism is a 2 way street and in my view the PC brigade have done a very, very good job of promoting racism in this country. OAFC0000. Yup they can sell what they want and I have chosen never to frequent them again as I feel they are acting in a racist manner by denying choice to one section of the population to please another section by changing the menu to suit one section rather than opening up a seperate outlet to ensure equality. That is all I said in the first post but then the accusations of racism come my way in a very predictable fashion. PC Stasi? PC Brigade? You make me sound like a right Commie. I can categorically tell you that I am not, however I digress. It is irrelevant because the situation has not arisen, what you have done is created a scenario and said "look, look what will happen - it'll happen y'know". It might do eventually, but not for the reasons you're suggesting. It's almost as if you want there to be some Muslim conspiracy so you can complete your Chicken Crusade. We've come a long way over the years, it used to be brash in-the-street and in-your-face racism we that we had to endure, now there seems to be only situations like the Halal meat at KFC to latch on to, to discredit and alienate communities. Carry on your embarrassing Chicken Crusade, but don't forget - in this instance you have a choice, you always have had, and you will continue to do so - in a sector where the Muslim community previously had not. Who's the second class citizen there then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Chicken Crusade I just spat out my coffee :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Damage Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 (edited) You really are a disgrace aren't you You have found the qoute In a foreign land you do as they do You have then added that I said BRITISH MUSLIMS were in a FOREIGN LAND. Your capitals by the way. The phrase you qouted is a very well known phrase and is not seen as racist at all by a cross section of the community including a major proportion of muslims. And the rest of the post you qouted from was anything but racist. Any comment on MacDonalds in Saudi where it promotes 100% halal? Fine to me as it is a muslim country and that is their belief with no need to compromise for anyone by providing swine products And Rummy to then describe muslims as second class citizens because of non halal in KFC and subway is laughable. They are not second class and have alot of halal choice. Sadly I don't have choice at KFC oldham and rochdale, or certain subway outlets now because they converted rather than split the outlets to halal/non halal Edited October 29, 2009 by Max Damage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 (edited) You really are a disgrace aren't you You have found the qoute You have then added that I said BRITISH MUSLIMS were in a FOREIGN LAND. Your capitals by the way. The phrase you qouted is a very well known phrase and is not seen as racist at all by a cross section of the community including a major proportion of muslims. And the rest of the post you qouted from was anything but racist. So you was on about just the Muslims visiting on holiday ? and it was not a response to my question about why should Muslims be given more access etc... Any comment on MacDonalds in Saudi where it promotes 100% halal? Fine to me as it is a muslim country and that is their belief with no need to compramise for anyone by providing swine products Company in targeting the most people possible shocker ? Same as here ? Edited October 29, 2009 by oafc0000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footy68 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 PC Stasi? PC Brigade? You make me sound like a right Commie. I can categorically tell you that I am not, however I digress. It is irrelevant because the situation has not arisen, what you have done is created a scenario and said "look, look what will happen - it'll happen y'know". It might do eventually, but not for the reasons you're suggesting. It's almost as if you want there to be some Muslim conspiracy so you can complete your Chicken Crusade. We've come a long way over the years, it used to be brash in-the-street and in-your-face racism we that we had to endure, now there seems to be only situations like the Halal meat at KFC to latch on to, to discredit and alienate communities. Carry on your embarrassing Chicken Crusade, but don't forget - in this instance you have a choice, you always have had, and you will continue to do so - in a sector where the Muslim community previously had not. Who's the second class citizen there then? Rummy, I don't know how well you know the area, but, the KFC in question sits next to a on the main, non muslim catchment. There is a Pizza Hut which is a few yards away, will they stop selling ham on their pizzas? The point trying to be made is why serve only halal food? Why not make efforts to serve ALL of your customers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 And Rummy to then describe muslims as second class citizens because of non halal in KFC and subway is laughable. They are not second class and have alot of halal choice. Sadly I don't have choice at KFC oldham and rochdale, or certain subway outlets now because they converted rather than split the outlets to halal/non halal You can still eat at KFC... It is only your preference for bacon that is making you look elsewhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Rummy, I don't know how well you know the area, but, the KFC in question sits next to a on the main, non muslim catchment. There is a Pizza Hut which is a few yards away, will they stop selling ham on their pizzas? The point trying to be made is why serve only halal food? Why not make efforts to serve ALL of your customers? What has area got to do with it ? A KFC on elk mill is going to be targeting the whole of Oldham I would imagine.... KFC are trying to serve everyone by removing swine... Swine is NOT a requirement it IS a preference... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBlue2 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 (edited) Specifically catered for ahead of Christians... Point out what is on the menu which I can not eat ? Its not about putting Christians second... Its about expanding the number of people who can eat together.... I find it funny that so many people bang on about "Christians" being left out when the majority of you are clearly want nothing to do with Christianity... If myself as a practising Christian is fine with this then why do non practising Christians have a problem and talk about how Christians are being discriminated against. Its bonkers As you keep repeating Your welcome to your opinion As a Christian myself and one against ritual slaughter, why should I eat meat slaughtered this way to appease a religious minority in country where the majority is Christian ? It doesn`t sit very comfortably with my beliefs. Edited October 29, 2009 by AndyBlue2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Damage Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 You can still eat at KFC... It is only your preference for bacon that is making you look elsewhere... Finally!!!!!!!!!!!! My CHOICE has been removed because of sombody elses religion!!! Why the hell should I have to now drive to Ashton when I could have walked to Oldham? I gave you the Saudi MacDonalds. Now may I present the UAE MacDonalds http://www.mcdonaldsarabia.com/english/uae...ity_highest.asp 100% Halal again Do you think they will selectively itroduce bacon for a minority population? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footy68 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 What has area got to do with it ? A KFC on elk mill is going to be targeting the whole of Oldham I would imagine.... KFC are trying to serve everyone by removing swine... Swine is NOT a requirement it IS a preference... You said in Saudi they are satisfying the majority, the majority in Oldham then are NOT muslim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 As a Christian myself and one against ritual slaughter, why should I eat meat slaughtered this way to appease a religious minority in country where the majority is Christian ? It doesn`t sit very comfortably with my beliefs. If you are a Christian then you will know that Christians have zero requirements regarding the way an animal is slaughtered. While it might not sit comfortably with your "personal" beliefs it dose not in ANY way conflict your Christian beliefs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny punkster Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 if you feel so aggrieved about this, write to KFC and complain strongly. i await your received reply with no interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 You said in Saudi they are satisfying the majority, the majority in Oldham then are NOT muslim. Muslims have a REQUIREMENT not to eat swine. If they put swine on the menu then the majority can not eat there. By removing swine from the menu in the UK you do not create a situation where you violate the REQUIREMENTS of anyone... No one in this country is REQUIRED to eat swine. Is it that hard of a concept to grasp ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Finally!!!!!!!!!!!! Nothing new has been said... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footy68 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Muslims have a REQUIREMENT not to eat swine. If they put swine on the menu then the majority can not eat there. By removing swine from the menu in the UK you do not create a situation where you violate the REQUIREMENTS of anyone... No one in this country is REQUIRED to eat swine. Is it that hard of a concept to grasp ? Freedom of choice.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Damage Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I wrote to Subway and they responded about the needs of the local community. I then responded that I was part of that community and they had removed my choice on their menu based on religeous grounds. They never replied again because I did not accept their waffle about the community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch_KTF Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Freedom of choice.... To sell what you want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Freedom of choice.... Exactly... KFC have the freedom to offer the menu they want... You have the freedom of going to somewhere else to eat bacon or consume it at home... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 (edited) I wrote to Subway and they responded about the needs of the local community. I then responded that I was part of that community the most important person in the community and they had removed my choice on their menu based on religeous grounds a want to serve as much of the community as possible. They never replied again because I did not accept their waffle about the community as they accepted that most people are not THAT arsed about bacon. Fixed for you Edited October 29, 2009 by oafc0000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footy68 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 To sell what you want? I suppose so yes, but is it not religeous beliefs (sorry for the benefit of zero) BELIEFS and not requirements. It is a requirement to follow the faith, but then the faith is only a belief, as all faiths are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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