creepy Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 self sufficient at Failsworth = League 2 even a move to Failsworth in a lego stadium would mean we need wealthy owners coming in so as ive said before, i would rather TTA put the club up for sale now, make us self sufficient at BP instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhunteruk Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 hence a question to be put to the club, 'why is it not financially viable to redevelop boundary park', or 'why a scaled down development at failsworth and not boundary park'. What restrictions are there in place on the land at boundary park re building facilities that will generate revenue to keep the club afloat that are not in place in failsworth? in that case then instead of just steamrollering this new ground idea through...why cant we have a fans forum solely to discuss this move and peoples fears about the development where questions can be asked,sensibly and a proper reply given at the end of the day,its the fans that matter....isnt it??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lookers_Carl Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 self sufficient at Failsworth = League 2 even a move to Failsworth in a lego stadium would mean we need wealthy owners coming in so as ive said before, i would rather TTA put the club up for sale now, make us self sufficient at BP instead Or at least answer properly as to why it is not viable to make the team self sufficient at BP, or as to why it is so much more viable to make the team self sufficient at failsworth than boundary park, what restrictions are there on the current land at BP that stop us building facilities to make the club self sufficient? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 hence a question to be put to the club, 'why is it not financially viable to redevelop boundary park', or 'why a scaled down development at failsworth and not boundary park'. What restrictions are there in place on the land at boundary park re building facilities that will generate revenue to keep the club afloat that are not in place in failsworth? Isn't that obvious though. You have £0 int he bank (minus £10m if you include all the cheques the TTA have written out) So you should not really pay out more than you spend or you have the bailliffs knocking So you sell your home for £30m You build a new house on a plot of land for £20m. £10m spare or no debt. Of course, the key point is the sustainable part. It was the houses/commercial property. We have not seen the development plans, and yes, even I want to see mroe than a few football pitches. But we now have other people on board. IHas anyone asked if Mike Newton going to bail out whent he TTA do ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lookers_Carl Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 in that case then instead of just steamrollering this new ground idea through...why cant we have a fans forum solely to discuss this move and peoples fears about the development where questions can be asked,sensibly and a proper reply given at the end of the day,its the fans that matter....isnt it??? Well put it this way its the fans money that keeps the club going. No fans = no club. Bottom line is though, doing nothing is not an option. If TTA were to go tomorrow the club would immediately have to be brought back within its means, which would mean a budget that would almost certainly lead to struggling league 2 budget, and likely to get lower. The plans for this move, in my opinion, need to illustrate that they will support a playing budget that will enable us to get out of this division - whilst staying self sufficient financially - and why this either/or a) cannot be done at boundary park or can be done at bp but not to the same extent as they can be done in failsworth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostofcecere Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Is a pity we don't have some representatives at board level to shed some light on this debate and as to what the future plans are to make us sustainable going forward......... oh hang on a minute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laticsrblue Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 people know where bp is,......is easy accessible via rail ....... Easy by rail???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lookers_Carl Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Isn't that obvious though. You have £0 int he bank (minus £10m if you include all the cheques the TTA have written out) So you should not really pay out more than you spend or you have the bailliffs knocking So you sell your home for £30m You build a new house on a plot of land for £20m. £10m spare or no debt. Of course, the key point is the sustainable part. It was the houses/commercial property. We have not seen the development plans, and yes, even I want to see mroe than a few football pitches. But we now have other people on board. IHas anyone asked if Mike Newton going to bail out whent he TTA do ? But the sale of the land for houses would have simply funded the stadium at boundary park. Granted it isnt worth as much what it was bac in 2006, but what sort of income would the sale of the land round boundary park bring in, and what sort of development would it fund if we were to stay where we are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhunteruk Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 Easy by rail???? think there are stations at shaw,werneth,mumps,millshill road....you may have to get a bus from one of them to get to bp but its there if you want it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Do we need to move from BP? According to those who couldn't buy food at half-time or couldn't get out of the car park in double quick time yeterday, it appears that we need to move to somewhere with as many food & drink kiosks as WEmbley, and with a car park bigger that the present one, which is arguably the biggest in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footy68 Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Did the land samples taken at BP 18 months ago fail for the 7 floor flats and new stands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footy68 Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 think there are stations at shaw,werneth,mumps,millshill road....you may have to get a bus from one of them to get to bp but its there if you want it. Mumps is closed..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lookers_Carl Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Transport links and accessibility is one aspect where the failsworth site wins hands down though Boundary Park has - 24, 181 ans 182 that sto within a 2 min walk from the ground - Mills hill and werneth station which are both approx 20-30 min walk from the ground (and remember the oldham mumps site is closed) The new site will have - 5 to 10 minute drive to 2 motorway junctions (near the boat and horses, and near what used to be the roxy cinema) - Two bus services that operate every 10 mins from oldham town centre to manc (82 and 83) that go right past the site. - The existing services (24, 181 and 182) that serve boundary park between manc and rochdale also stop right outside the site - The 180 and 184 which serves saddleworth also stop outside the new site. - The metrolink will also have two stops within a five minute walk of the site, rpoviding a service every 6-12 mins from rochdale, oldham, manc and shaw to the new ground Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Why do people think that football pitches won't make money? They coin it in, especially as these would be the newest and shiniest in the region. A better way to generate cash than hotels and conferencing, which aren't exactly a boom industry with a struggling economy possibly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 (edited) think there are stations at shaw,werneth,mumps,millshill road....you may have to get a bus from one of them to get to bp but its there if you want it. Boundary Park has......Werneth station Keep up! Read the BP directions on the OS. http://www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/page/Stadi...,,10337,00.html Edited November 2, 2009 by Diego_Sideburns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 hence a question to be put to the club, 'why is it not financially viable to redevelop boundary park', or 'why a scaled down development at failsworth and not boundary park'. What restrictions are there in place on the land at boundary park re building facilities that will generate revenue to keep the club afloat that are not in place in failsworth? Why aren't your superiors within the Trust asking these questions Carl? It makes we weep it really does, you're not the only one within the organisation that is asking serious questions privately too (at least 3 other Trust Directors) but others plough on relentlessly for the good of the 'fans', when in reality they are so out of touch with the regular supporters its laughable! I know of other prominent voices within the club that are less than convinced too, but I respect their anonyminity and they have far bigger influence than Field Marshal Owen and his band of cronies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Why do people think that football pitches won't make money? They coin it in, especially as these would be the newest and shiniest in the region. A better way to generate cash than hotels and conferencing, which aren't exactly a boom industry with a struggling economy possibly. You really meant football stadia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snookmeister Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Do we need to move from BP? According to those who couldn't buy food at half-time or couldn't get out of the car park in double quick time yeterday, it appears that we need to move to somewhere with as many food & drink kiosks as WEmbley, and with a car park bigger that the present one, which is arguably the biggest in the league. No Diego, we don't. What we need to do is efficiently manage and run the sufficient facilities in those areas that we already have. As many have already pointed out. The car park is big enough, it's just a free for all. The number of kiosks are enough. They're just not properly manned or properly equipped i.e pumps that can pour more than one pint at once, enough food , enough staff etc. Hardly rocket science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laticsrblue Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Why do people think that football pitches won't make money? They coin it in, especially as these would be the newest and shiniest in the region. A better way to generate cash than hotels and conferencing, which aren't exactly a boom industry with a struggling economy possibly. After maintenance and staff costs pitches probably do make a small profit, that could conceivably just about keep a lower non-league team going but absolutely no chance of keeping a 3rd or 2nd Div team afloat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lookers_Carl Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Why do people think that football pitches won't make money? They coin it in, especially as these would be the newest and shiniest in the region. A better way to generate cash than hotels and conferencing, which aren't exactly a boom industry with a struggling economy possibly. Would they coin it in to the region of 40k a month profit though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latics_Fanatic Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 In answer to the topic title .. Yes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Would they coin it in to the region of 40k a month profit though? I don't know, how much is hire of Chapel Road for a of an evening? Not cheap I'll guess and you would struggle to get a booking a lot of the time. Oldham's grass pitches are :censored: and way over the odds compared to most other boroughs (you can take my word for it as I have to deal with the embarrassment of asking other Fans' teams for more than they ask us to play on a swamp/have games called off half the year). Not much by way of overheads after it's built, creates custom in the bar, vending machines and so on. A hotel could well lose money in the current climate, why knock a consistent earner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yard Dog Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Is our ground the really the crumbling wreck some claim it to be ? It sure as hell aint the most aesthetically pleasing, parts of need painting and repair, but some will have you believe it's falling down... Course, it's past its sell-by / use-by date, but I just don't fall for this crap about it putting people off coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
real Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Would they coin it in to the region of 40k a month profit though? People keep asking about this £40k a month - if that's the current losses, then the new development doesn't need to make £40k as part of that monthly loss will be on the maintenance of BP, which is likely to be far higher than for a new ground. Anyway, value of 75% of BP site with a footy ground in the site area- probably £7-8m; Value of 100% of BP site with no footy ground £14-16m. With no footy ground there willbe 33% more land, and the surroundings will be bungalows, a hospital and the decent town houses on sheepfoot lane; and then clayton - open aspect. Virtually nothing in the immediate vacinity that detracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yard Dog Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 People keep asking about this £40k a month - if that's the current losses, then the new development doesn't need to make £40k as part of that monthly loss will be on the maintenance of BP, which is likely to be far higher than for a new ground. Anyway, value of 75% of BP site with a footy ground in the site area- probably £7-8m; Value of 100% of BP site with no footy ground £14-16m. With no footy ground there willbe 33% more land, and the surroundings will be bungalows, a hospital and the decent town houses on sheepfoot lane; and then clayton - open aspect. Virtually nothing in the immediate vacinity that detracts. Not a chance does it cost 40k a month more to maintain BP than a new stadium. Not a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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