Stevie_J Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 We're asked to keep the Faith in the Club. TTA are the Club's owners. The unquestioning loyalty you're getting at is absolutely not what the Keep the Faith motto means to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 There aren't going to be any new owners. The downscalers and their little band of meerkats have won. What a weak answer. If someone wanted to spend money on a new squad then the size of the ground wouldn't matter at all to them if it was easily expanded. They could come along and make the ground match theri ambition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Well surely it's better to beleive the word of the people that can actually affect the direction of the club, rather than beleiving the supposition and general rubbish that's posted on here most of the time. There's a vast gulf between those two extremes though, isn't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 So your idea of "Keeping the Faith" (the most pathetic slogan I've seen, anywhere) in the club is blindly believing everything the club's officials and owners tell you? I suppose fan is short for fanatic... Keep the Faith = Stay loyal to the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 So your idea of "Keeping the Faith" (the most pathetic slogan I've seen, anywhere) in the club is blindly believing everything the club's officials and owners tell you? I suppose fan is short for fanatic... The unquestioning loyalty you're getting at is absolutely not what the Keep the Faith motto means to me. No blind belief or unquestioning loyalty from me. I referred to the slogan in the context of lack of belief of the statements of intent by TTA. At the risk of repeating myself, I have never supported any plan to move away from BP and I await patiently the unveiling of TTA's plan, in order than I can assess whether those statements of intent are feasible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Keep the Faith = Stay loyal to the club. Stay loyal to the club, or stay blindly sycophantic to the current owners? To me, loyalty to the club means providing your support but more importantly questioning anything that you feel is not in the best interests of the club, and that includes if you think the current owners are taking it in the wrong direction. Blind sycophancy to the incumbent regime could theoretically equal terrible disloyalty to the club. Edit: Diego - I appreciate your clarification, I admit I was beginning to wonder about you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Edit: Diego - I appreciate your clarification, I admit I was beginning to wonder about you. Proof that, very occasionally, repetition of opinion, prohibited under the Forum's Rules, is justified for clarification purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 (edited) TTA – Time To Abdicate? It’s coming up to five years since ...... Five years: five managers; no promotions; no relegations; no new stadium. Well said and nicely put. Edited January 15, 2010 by Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesue Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Behave...think what you are saying I agree, no TTA no club, and I for one are extremely grateful to them all for their backing and effort to keep this club alive. Open up your eyes and accept whatever they do for us is more than anyone else will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creepy Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Behave...think what you are saying I agree, no TTA no club, and I for one are extremely grateful to them all for their backing and effort to keep this club alive. Open up your eyes and accept whatever they do for us is more than anyone else will. Really? how do you know that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 If you choose to refuse to take up the Club's invitation, you are wrong to say "banging on about it on here is about all that's left to us". It's an invitation to agree with the club's plans. Nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 So we are just supposed to consider anything that anybody posts as lies or heresay until he/she can back it up with 'evidence'? If it's presented as fact, yes. If it's clearly mere opinion then obviously no evidence is required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 We're asked to keep the Faith in the Club. TTA are the Club's owners. If only Stalin knew what was happening he'd put a stop to these bloody purges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 (edited) What a weak answer. If someone wanted to spend money on a new squad then the size of the ground wouldn't matter at all to them if it was easily expanded. They could come along and make the ground match theri ambition. The trouble is that a sub-12000 capacity ground reflects very small ambitions. Why would anybody want to invest in a club that clearly wishes for nothing but survival at lower division level when there's any number of more ambitious clubs around needed investment? Edited January 15, 2010 by Corporal_Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 The trouble is that a sub-12000 capacity ground reflects very small ambitions. Why would anybody want to invest in a club that clearly wishes for nothing but survival at lower division level when there's any number of more ambitious clubs around needed investment? When you say, "the club," has little ambition, I presume you actually mean, "the owners." Wouldn't new owners bring their own levels of ambition with them? I just can't follow your logic on this one, it's like a small but (if you wanted to, were ambitious enough, wanted to be in the Championship long term and had the funds to give it a serious go, so need to go off on one again) easily extendable stadium is the Mark of Cain to blight us for ever more. New owners could conceivably find it more attractive than a 25000 seater that is 30 years old and looking a bit tatty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Wouldn't new owners bring their own levels of ambition with them Exactly. Although the Stockport County Supporters Trust presumably had high ambitions before their ownership ended in disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Godwin's Law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies)[ is a humorous observation made by Mike Godwin in 1990 which has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1. I'm waiting - although we've had Stalin mentioned, who appears to be often on the mind of CJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Someone's been watching QI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Someone's been watching QI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 The biggest success re: TTA is that they continue to fund our losses. If they abdicate how will the club ensure it survives. If there is someone who can do it better than TTA then surely they need to STAND UP AND BE COUNTED. Otherwise: ABDICATION = RIP OLDHAM ATHLETIC 2010? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 The biggest success re: TTA is that they continue to fund our losses. If they abdicate how will the club ensure it survives. If there is someone who can do it better than TTA then surely they need to STAND UP AND BE COUNTED. Otherwise: ABDICATION = RIP OLDHAM ATHLETIC 2010? This is the general thought from some people but if you are not up for sale why would any just make an offer out of the blue ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 When you say, "the club," has little ambition, I presume you actually mean, "the owners." Wouldn't new owners bring their own levels of ambition with them? I just can't follow your logic on this one, it's like a small but (if you wanted to, were ambitious enough, wanted to be in the Championship long term and had the funds to give it a serious go, so need to go off on one again) easily extendable stadium is the Mark of Cain to blight us for ever more. New owners could conceivably find it more attractive than a 25000 seater that is 30 years old and looking a bit tatty. It won't be easily extendable, though. We've already heard it let slip that extension 'will be difficult.' (Surprise, surpise, this was later claimed to be a misquote.) Any owners with serious ambitions could more economically tart up a larger thirty year-old stadium (thus having more to spend on players) than take on the cost of extending a small ground-and that's leaving aside all the usual drawn out wrangling over planning and so on. In any case, all the club is doing by building a small stadium is advertising the fact that it doesn't think that establishing itself at a higher level is any longer feasible. People will remember the club in the PL days and just wonder how it came to this. After the recent false dawns, it's like throwing in the towel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 I'm waiting - although we've had Stalin mentioned, who appears to be often on the mind of CJ. Maybe it's because of the Stalinist disapproval of dissident opinion diplayed by the Nodding Dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yard Dog Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 This is the general thought from some people but if you are not up for sale why would any just make an offer out of the blue ? I understand we have always been up for sale, mate. I'm pretty sure that TTA have said on a number of occasions that if the right people made the right offer they'd be happy to sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 I understand we have always been up for sale, mate. I'm pretty sure that TTA have said on a number of occasions that if the right people made the right offer they'd be happy to sell. Oh come on... You are either up for sale or not... They have said if someone makes the right the will be happy to sell... That is not properly being up for sale... If someone makes the right offer for my house then they can have it... Doubtful that is going to happen until I put it on the market though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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