pukka Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Stay at BP. If Failsworth was a site in Chadderton or Royton, or Oldham town centre, I'd say different. What mr Opinions said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardy Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 The new stand could be as the original plans stated, the changing rooms etc, all new facilities, whilst the main stand could be demolished and re mordenised with no changing rooms and offices it could be brought in closer from sheepfoot lane, leaving more room on the road side! If you have a clue what im on about?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 (edited) Just one question, am i right in thinking all this is our land? or is it less than this? i'm struggling to see how we could fit retail facilities on this land, as the NIMBY's would be out in force if it was close to their land.. in saying that how do you fit a 20odd screen cinema in the Printworks, i guess we'd have to build upwards! http://www.stadiumguide.com/oldhamarena.htm Its as if no one remembers this... and the fact we got planning permission for it... Edited August 4, 2011 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch_KTF Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Why would anybody opt for the last chance saloon Failsworth proposal over staying at BP? Off-field revenue seems to be the clincher, but that will be small fry at whichever site. The club need to sort out BP to save the reported £400k per year maintenance bill and reinvigorate attendances whilst also investing in youth. That's where the money is in football, and there's loads of it. Aside from amenities literally incorporated within the stadium, I still see no fundamental difference between Latics being equiped with the various ventures suggested (football clubs going into bowling alleys?! ) and a private entrepreneur running them and ploughing any profits into the club in the more traditional sense. After all, these amenities will, I suspect, ultimately be paid for by whoever buys the club from TTA. So what's the difference? Aside from us being prime for an asset stripping, perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Why would anybody opt for the last chance saloon Failsworth proposal over staying at BP? Off-field revenue seems to be the clincher, but that will be small fry at whichever site. The club need to sort out BP to save the reported £400k per year maintenance bill and reinvigorate attendances whilst also investing in youth. That's where the money is in football, and there's loads of it. Aside from amenities literally incorporated within the stadium, I still see no fundamental difference between Latics being equiped with the various ventures suggested (football clubs going into bowling alleys?! ) and a private entrepreneur running them and ploughing any profits into the club in the more traditional sense. After all, these amenities will, I suspect, ultimately be paid for by whoever buys the club from TTA. So what's the difference? Aside from us being prime for an asset stripping, perhaps. Even if we stay at a refurbished Boundary Park it will still at different points need to maintain it and that will cost money. However for me we really have to see what we could do at BP first if we can do the same type of thing in both sites re: 365 days revenue then it has to be stay at BP its the fans choice. If redeveloping BP just involves 1 stand even with conferencing facilities then it has to be Failsworth. On the subject of conferencing I actually work as an accountant for a company that deals in hospitality we deal with Newcastle United and have won the contract to the 2012 London Olympics. While it can make alot of revenue it doesn't make that much in profit once you take ito account all the costs that go with it. So IMO it will help the club but it won't be enough to make the club enough money on its own to really take us to that next level infact i doubt it even make us profitable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Aside from amenities literally incorporated within the stadium, I still see no fundamental difference between Latics being equiped with the various ventures suggested (football clubs going into bowling alleys?! ) and a private entrepreneur running them and ploughing any profits into the club in the more traditional sense. I think the point with either is that they are large available sites with travel connections and car parking which is doing nowt most of the time. They don't come available every week, as we know only too well, I don't see a reason why we can't work with specialist companies to take advantage of none football opportunities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfatjoe1 Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 is there an Ashton option... Joking. I really liked the redevelopment option pre-recession caused by the banks not Labour(and indeed caused by the very structure of capitalism which 'lends' itself to such corruption and insecurity). That was a good scheme. Hotel and leisure facilites (four star hotel needed). Near the motorway network. Increased streams of income. I couldn't careless about stupid postcodes and such like. We just need a modern stadium that gives us extra income. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 This should also be taken into consideration: 1. Head west on Cherry St toward Bramall Ln/A621 295 ft 2. Turn right onto Bramall Ln/A621 0.3 mi 3. At the roundabout, take the 1st exit onto St Mary's Gate/A61 Continue to follow A61 Go through 1 roundabout 0.5 mi 4. Turn left onto Broomhall St 0.3 mi 5. Turn right onto Park Ln 0.2 mi 6. Turn right onto Clarkehouse Rd/B6069 85 ft 7. Turn left onto College St 322 ft 8. Turn left onto Glossop Rd/B6069 0.3 mi 9. Turn left onto Fulwood Rd/A57 466 ft 10. Turn right onto Manchester Rd/A57 Continue to follow A57 Go through 1 roundabout 25.0 mi 11. Turn left onto Mottram Moor/A57 0.5 mi 12. Slight right onto Back Moor 0.3 mi 13. Slight right onto Back Moor/A6018 Continue to follow A6018 2.7 mi 14. A6018 turns slightly left and becomes Stamford St/A635 Continue to follow A635 0.7 mi 15. Turn right onto Beaufort Rd 0.4 mi 16. Turn left onto Penny Meadow 0.3 mi 17. Slight right onto Wellington Rd/A670 0.2 mi 18. Slight right to stay on Wellington Rd/A670 Continue to follow Wellington Rd 0.1 mi 19. Slight right onto Oldham Rd/A627 0.6 mi 20. Turn left onto Wilshaw Ln 167 ft 21. Continue onto Newmarket Rd 0.8 mi 22. Slight right onto Stannybrook Rd 0.8 mi 23. Continue onto Cutler Hill Rd 0.5 mi 24. At the roundabout, take the 1st exit onto Ashton Rd E 0.7 mi 25. Turn right onto Pole Ln 0.1 mi 26. Turn left onto Oldham Rd/A62 Destination will be on the right 0.2 mi The Lancaster Club Oldham RoadFailsworth, Manchester M35 0BH 0161 681 3083 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_bro Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Stay at BP. Failsworth was too small and condemned us to this level of football for ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 (edited) is there an Ashton option... Joking. I really liked the redevelopment option pre-recession caused by the banks not Labour(and indeed caused by the very structure of capitalism which 'lends' itself to such corruption and insecurity). That was a good scheme. Hotel and leisure facilites (four star hotel needed). Near the motorway network. Increased streams of income. I couldn't careless about stupid postcodes and such like. We just need a modern stadium that gives us extra income. No definately nothing to do with Labour at all whatsover. Ha Ha. They spent the money. but not to digress, i agree that the plans were good, if they can be replicated that is fantastic. Edited August 4, 2011 by singe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsLee Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Stay at BP. Failsworth was too small and condemned us to this level of football for ever. You for real? Failsworth plan is bigger than the BP site now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsLee Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 http://www.stadiumguide.com/oldhamarena.htm Its as if no one remembers this... and the fact we got planning permission for it... where was we ever going to get £80 million for that stadium from eh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 where was we ever going to get £80 million for that stadium from eh I think that might have included more than just the stadium Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsLee Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 I Have to admit, i do like these plans.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsLee Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 I think that might have included more than just the stadium Lee I Know but there was no way we was getting that ammount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch_KTF Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 (edited) I think the point with either is that they are large available sites with travel connections and car parking which is doing nowt most of the time. They don't come available every week, as we know only too well, I don't see a reason why we can't work with specialist companies to take advantage of none football opportunities. If the club owned the land I could easily envisage such deals, largely via leasing the land to companies to do their thing. However given TTA own it and will be taking that cut, Latics and specialist companies will be sharing what's left of the pie which, in football terms, I can't see amounting to all that much. If it did there would be footballing sugar daddies aplenty. I suppose something is better than a poke in the eye, but I think maximising improvement in our standard-fare football club facilities ought to be where the crux of our efforts are focused. And I think that means working at BP. Edited August 4, 2011 by Stitch_KTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 I Know but there was no way we was getting that ammount. The funding would have come from the people running the facilities being built - Powerleague the pitches, Holiday Inn the hotel and so on. Or so I imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 £80m = £20m for the stadium and £60m for the other developments (from memory). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yard Dog Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 How anyone can suggest at this stage that Failsworth would be better for us in terms of generating non-match day income is beyond me. When did these people get to see the full, final business plans for both proposed developments? Because as far as I am aware, we know hardly anything about the non-matchday plans for either development. Until we hear more info in this regard, most posters commenting on this aspect(not least Latics Lee as usual)are talking complete bollocks. Let's wait for more info before writing anything off, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 (edited) I Know but there was no way we was getting that ammount. Think outside the box Third parties would of come on board such as Holiday Inn etc... This would of no doubt been the case with Failsworth as much as it is with BP... As Yard Dog, we don't know anything as fact though... Its all guess work. Edited August 4, 2011 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhunteruk Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 How anyone can suggest at this stage that Failsworth would be better for us in terms of generating non-match day income is beyond me. When did these people get to see the full, final business plans for both proposed developments? Because as far as I am aware, we know hardly anything about the non-matchday plans for either development. Until we hear more info in this regard, most posters commenting on this aspect(not least Latics Lee as usual)are talking complete bollocks. Let's wait for more info before writing anything off, please. the proposal for bp was that the housing would fund the stadium build,the new main stand was incorporating the facilities the club needed for matchdays,ie changing rooms refs room treatment rooms,plus the offices for the club officials,it was also going to have office space and conferencing facilities,at the corner it was having a hotel which linked to the chaddy end in which retail developments were mentioned... failsworth was mentioned to have all the above,plus the lancaster club side was going to be a sports academy with 3g pitches and the like,plus it was mooted that the corners of the ground could be filled in and developed with office space of gym facilities depending what companies wanted.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 the proposal for bp was that the housing would fund the stadium build,the new main stand was incorporating the facilities the club needed for matchdays,ie changing rooms refs room treatment rooms,plus the offices for the club officials,it was also going to have office space and conferencing facilities,at the corner it was having a hotel which linked to the chaddy end in which retail developments were mentioned... failsworth was mentioned to have all the above,plus the lancaster club side was going to be a sports academy with 3g pitches and the like,plus it was mooted that the corners of the ground could be filled in and developed with office space of gym facilities depending what companies wanted.... Not totally correct. The original Oldham Arena plan was not being fully funded by the housing sale. They always said they would need substantial third party investment along the way to complete the full £80 million development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhunteruk Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Not totally correct. The original Oldham Arena plan was not being fully funded by the housing sale. They always said they would need substantial third party investment along the way to complete the full £80 million development. can only find this link at present,men sites down at present timebp development Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yard Dog Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 (edited) the proposal for bp was that the housing would fund the stadium build,the new main stand was incorporating the facilities the club needed for matchdays,ie changing rooms refs room treatment rooms,plus the offices for the club officials,it was also going to have office space and conferencing facilities,at the corner it was having a hotel which linked to the chaddy end in which retail developments were mentioned... failsworth was mentioned to have all the above,plus the lancaster club side was going to be a sports academy with 3g pitches and the like,plus it was mooted that the corners of the ground could be filled in and developed with office space of gym facilities depending what companies wanted.... I know all about Oldham Arena - I have hard copies of the prospectuses in my drawer right next to me, and the info is also easily available online. But we're not on that scheme now. We've moved on to yet another plan. We know virtually nothing about the non-matchday plans for the latest BP proposed development. Just like we knew little about the non-matchday element to Failsworth. Edited August 4, 2011 by Yard Dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 can only find this link at present,men sites down at present timebp development ? That link doesn't tell us anything... Its true... The housing would NEVER of generated £80 million! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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