rosa Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 It's not the most blatant handling of the ball I've ever seen. I watch a fair bit of rugby league though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 It's not the most blatant handling of the ball I've ever seen. I watch a fair bit of rugby league though. His agent ought to try and sell him to the Harlem Globetrotters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 That really is un-bloody-believable. How that's been missed i'll never know. As others have said though, Feck all will be done about it and all of the officials will be at ganes mid-week or next saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I couldn't quite get the ref in shot. He's very briefly shown on the edge of the view to the left stood pretty much on the penalty spot so you can see from this picture he would have absolutely nothing blocking his sight. Even so, everyone in the away end (some 90 yards away) could clearly see it was handball, every Oldham player claimed, a couple ran after the ref as the ball got cleared. I saw it, and I was in a pub in Putney, facing southwards and away from the window Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channel M Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 It's often thought in football that if a ref suspects he's made an error he'll even it up with a later decision. He must've known by the half time reaction that it was a mistake so turning down the Simmo push in the 2nd half is even more frustrating. Wish we had him in the Everton game that Connor Brown handball would've been ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 It's often thought in football that if a ref suspects he's made an error he'll even it up with a later decision. He must've known by the half time reaction that it was a mistake so turning down the Simmo push in the 2nd half is even more frustrating. Wish we had him in the Everton game that Connor Brown handball would've been ignored. Wasn't sure the Simpson one was a penalty, looked like he threw himself over rather than a push. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirinclassic Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 I've just watched it in slomo, the ball rolls down from his bicep to off his elbow, time to start treating the refs like the enemy now imo, no use crying over spilt milk en all that, just got to beat 12 men from hereon in. . This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Sky obviously missed it too as its not on the highlights http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/oldham-athletic/8555099/tranmere-1-0-oldham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razza699 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Not sure if Latics will get in trouble but they've posted O4Us picture on their Facebook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhamains Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Not sure if Latics will get in trouble but they've posted O4Us picture on their Facebook. Showing the handball? Seen it on the unofficial one. Not the official page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Not sure if Latics will get in trouble but they've posted O4Us picture on their Facebook. Not mine. I stole it off here first! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razza699 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Showing the handball? Seen it on the unofficial one. Not the official page. On this one, I never know which one is official or unofficial, this is the more popular one with 6,000 likes http://www.facebook.com/pages/Oldham-Athletic/119631721398085?fref=ts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhamains Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 On this one, I never know which one is official or unofficial, this is the more popular one with 6,000 likes http://www.facebook.com/pages/Oldham-Athletic/119631721398085?fref=ts That's not the official one mate. Just has more followers because it was started before the official page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Mikey Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 We should at least have had an indirect free kick for a double dribble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Not to mitigate the ref's poor performance but it's the rule that's wrong. Until the rule is changed we'll be in this position time and time again. The rule states that the hand ball must be deliberate in order for the ref to award a foul. Why this isn't changed to something like Hand ball = 'If the ball hits a player's hand and as a result his team gain an advantage'. This is a far easier rule to apply and removes the did he, didn't he mean it debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossrocks Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 It was deliberate, he jumped with his arm in the air and "scooped" at it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 It was deliberate, he jumped with his arm in the air and "scooped" at it! Just as this says, the only 2 people who did not "see it" were the ref and his assistant. And it is not bad luck it is rank bad officiating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 I agree it clearly hit his arm, but leading up to the ball hitting his arm their player was tussling with Tarky (I think). As a result I can see how the ref might have thought this tussle led to a mistimed attempt to head the ball and therefore he may have perceived it to not be deliberate. We have all sorts of interpretations on the rule because it's very hard to know if an attempt to play the ball is deliberate. I think it's easier for an official to perceive if an advantage was gained rather than know if a deliberate attempt was made to play the ball with the arm / hand. The only person who really knows that is the player himself. I fail to see how the linesman didn't see it so I'm trying to provide some reasoning to why the decision wouldn't be given. These types of thing happen every week and until the rules change they will continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeylandLatic Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 I agree it clearly hit his arm, but leading up to the ball hitting his arm their player was tussling with Tarky (I think). As a result I can see how the ref might have thought this tussle led to a mistimed attempt to head the ball and therefore he may have perceived it to not be deliberate. We have all sorts of interpretations on the rule because it's very hard to know if an attempt to play the ball is deliberate. I think it's easier for an official to perceive if an advantage was gained rather than know if a deliberate attempt was made to play the ball with the arm / hand. The only person who really knows that is the player himself. I fail to see how the linesman didn't see it so I'm trying to provide some reasoning to why the decision wouldn't be given. These types of thing happen every week and until the rules change they will continue. Look mate, you got it wrong, maybe you're just not cut out for this refereeing lark? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossrocks Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 He wasn't challenged by anyone - pretty certain he wasn't involved in a tussle either: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 I'm not defending the ref - I can just see how these sorts of decisions are made harder as proving intent is not an easy thing to do. boss - have a look of the replay on iplayer. While the screenshot clearly shows the ball hitting his arm, there are definitely 2 players challenging for the ball at the point that the Tranmere lad jumps for it. Making the rules easier to apply would help, but that's the last I'll say on it. I can see that most people feel it's a really obvious deliberate handball and are here to lambast the ref. I'm equally as frustrated but my solution is different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 He wasn't challenged by anyone - pretty certain he wasn't involved in a tussle either: Which direction did the ball come from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Just as this says, the only 2 people who did not "see it" were the ref and his assistant. And it is not bad luck it is rank bad officiating. Might have been 2 more, the 4th official and the referees assessor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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