nzlatic Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Playing devils advocate Doncaster rovers were playing in front of 3 figure crowds in a crumbling waste ground when they dropped out of the league. Since then several promotions, Wembley trips, new ground etc, even winning attacking football under Dave Penney! Crowds came flooding back. They had an owner who chucked a lot of cash at it though. Without that you'd fear for the worst. It'd just be too risky for us. We have to stay up. And I think we will under Dunn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluear Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Relegation is the answer. Oh wait, it definitely isn't. Wow. How can you think tt would help? We would never recover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 There is in my view some substance to the hypothesis of the question. My son for example is 25 years old. He has been brought up in a generation of wall to wall televised football with all it's highlights and low lights. In his lifetime though he has only seen Latics play in the same division with the same outcomes. Thanks to good parenting he still watches and supports us but to many of his generation it is not easy to promote the merits of watching Latics . It is difficult to quantify whether we have a lost a generation of supporters but we do need something to happen on the field to break the ""sameness " of everything. Increasingly we are becoming an anonymous football club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaskedOwl Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Sad times when people think that relegation is the answer. Is League 2 easier to get promoted from? We would lose our better players and fans too. I think we are better than our league position suggests. Try and stay in the league. Hopefully the new stand will generate new revenue and entice new and old fans back. I'm not confident we will stay up but i hope we don't throw the towel in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Relegation could put this club on a downward slide that it may not be able to recover from resulting in death. While we are in league 1 we are still in a fight and a more saleable assett. It's :censored: & its been far too long but it would risk the whole future of the club. For the handful of supporters who would get excited by trips to Dover, Eastleigh etc because they haven't been before there is a thousand whowouldnt and would stop going all together rather than watch non league football. Nonr of us are happy watching the :censored:e we watch every week at the moment. But most would be OK watching this league for a few more years if we played attacking football & just went for it sometimes. I feel The negative football that the last 3/4 managers have tried to play is having more affect than the actual division. We all want to be entertained. I speak for myself but I rarely am nowadays & I feel sometimrs I drive the hour & half to the games each week more out of habit than anything else which is starting to bug me! However I would not want to risk the future of the club with relegation due to boredom... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Death by apathy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankly Mr Shankly Posted November 1, 2015 Author Share Posted November 1, 2015 I think people are missing the point. It may result in death. But it would give the opportunity to rebuild. Get rid of the current hierarchy. Sure, fans be go but some would come back wanting to be part of the new project. Looking at Tranmere and Stockport at this very moment isn't the right way to look at the possibility. Who's to say in 5-10 years time they aren't back on the up? I think people are just in the mindset that once the owners leave and we 'die' then that's the end. But that's only the beginning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joncurtis199 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 If we get relegated to League Two we won't be coming back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfatjoe1 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 It's one of the great football fallacies, the idea that relegation can be a positive. It isn't. It would be a disaster. Youdon't need to get relegated to revitalise the club. We were on a par with Oxford and Luton for a long time in the 1980s. They've been struggling in the fifth and fourth divisions for years. It hasn't done them any good at all. It would not stop the rot, it would more likely kill us off. The standard of football would be worse, more fans would drift away and the same queue of investors that we've had banging on the door over the last few years would continue to exist. Relegation has no benefits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 It's one of the great football fallacies, the idea that relegation can be a positive. It isn't. It would be a disaster. Youdon't need to get relegated to revitalise the club. We were on a par with Oxford and Luton for a long time in the 1980s. They've been struggling in the fifth and fourth divisions for years. It hasn't done them any good at all. It would not stop the rot, it would more likely kill us off. The standard of football would be worse, more fans would drift away and the same queue of investors that we've had banging on the door over the last few years would continue to exist. Relegation has no benefits. It might be the only way of getting rid of these owners, that would be a benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowl Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Have you seen the teams in League 2? Take out Accrington and then you are looking at York and Morecambe as being local. About 6 teams would bring over 400 fans. Week in week out Boundary Park would be completely empty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_blue Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 (edited) I think people are missing the point. It may result in death. But it would give the opportunity to rebuild. Get rid of the current hierarchy. Sure, fans be go but some would come back wanting to be part of the new project. Looking at Tranmere and Stockport at this very moment isn't the right way to look at the possibility. Who's to say in 5-10 years time they aren't back on the up? I think people are just in the mindset that once the owners leave and we 'die' then that's the end. But that's only the beginning. Don't think anyone is missing the point. The general consensus though is that why even think relegation from league 1 could be positive or even us going out of business to just start again! Edited November 1, 2015 by super_blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Relegation and no new investment means same owners different division. What then? Relegation does not guarantee new owners nor does it guarentee new investment or success. Surely as a league 2 club we are a less saleable assett? Less attractive football on a Saturday because believe me it can get worse. Not worth the risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Relegation and no new investment means same owners different division. What then? Relegation does not guarantee new owners nor does it guarentee new investment or success. Surely as a league 2 club we are a less saleable assett? Less attractive football on a Saturday because believe me it can get worse. Not worth the risk. We are unsellable now, I think relegation would mean they walk away, that can't be a bad thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_blue Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 We are unsellable now, I think relegation would mean they walk away, that can't be a bad thing. They/Corney won't walk away. To much invested to just do that especially with the new stand coming into play and generating income. if walking away was an option I'm sure he'd have done that already. Especially if he ever came on here and had a read..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 They/Corney won't walk away. To much invested to just do that especially with the new stand coming into play and generating income. if walking away was an option I'm sure he'd have done that already. Especially if he ever came on here and had a read..... Walking away from the football side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_blue Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Walking away from the football side. ? But still remain on the board? How do you walk away from one but not the other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_ragg1984 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 How exciting would a promotion campaign back to a division we've been stuck in for 20 years be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 ? But still remain on the board? How do you walk away from one but not the other? End their 'investment' in the football side, take the revenues from OEC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_blue Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 End their 'investment' in the football side, take the revenues from OEC. So who invests and puts money into the playing budget? Not many new investors will let a 3rd party keep income OEC whilst they chuck investment in to get us promoted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 In league 1 you get quite a few attractive games against reasonable sized clubs who have fallen away, league 2 is nowhere near as attractive and playing the likes of Barnet at home won't bring the crowds flooding back, your income would be reduced massively but your expenditure wouldn't. Staying up is essential and the new stand could be one part of putting the club back on the rise, I don't know if a Bradford style season ticket promotion would work but taking a step back to move forward isn't the way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 So who invests and puts money into the playing budget? Not many new investors will let a 3rd party keep income OEC whilst they chuck investment in to get us promoted! Of course not, it will be left to Barry Owen and the fans to run things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Richard Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Relegation could put this club on a downward slide that it may not be able to recover from resulting in death. While we are in league 1 we are still in a fight and a more saleable assett. It's :censored: & its been far too long but it would risk the whole future of the club. For the handful of supporters who would get excited by trips to Dover, Eastleigh etc because they haven't been before there is a thousand whowouldnt and would stop going all together rather than watch non league football. Nonr of us are happy watching the :censored:e we watch every week at the moment. But most would be OK watching this league for a few more years if we played attacking football & just went for it sometimes. I feel The negative football that the last 3/4 managers have tried to play is having more affect than the actual division. We all want to be entertained. I speak for myself but I rarely am nowadays & I feel sometimrs I drive the hour & half to the games each week more out of habit than anything else which is starting to bug me! However I would not want to risk the future of the club with relegation due to boredom... < This exactly, Palmer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 The OP is perfectly correct. We are never getting promoted from this league. Ever. Last year showed that even if we do well there is no appetite from fans to watch us play in this division any longer. Yesterday was the first time ever, apart from JPT games, that I genuinely couldn't have given two :censored:s whether we won or lost. The only issue is that we are never getting promoted from League 2, either. The club, if relegated, would settle in whichever league it plummets to and sustain mid-table mediocrity. Pick any league, but under the current ownership the club is dying. There is no drive from them for anything other than sustainability and personally getting a bit of lost money back. They couldn't give a toss about what happens on the pitch anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aarondo Westy Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Tranmere lost to Dover today. I don't know if a relegation would revitalise us. We might find out soon. If it did happen I imagine it will be another opportunity to remind us that expectations have to be realistic. Yes an whilst losing at home they did it in front of a bigger crowd than us. 4486 at there game id imagine Dover would of taken very few aswell. Our attendence was 3795 the lowest in the divsion and would of been middle of attendences in league 2. I suspect the club would of expected a slight increase with the new stand and they must be dissapointed. Its a catch 22 for the club and fans.We all want a better product on the pitch but this will only happen with more bums on seats although people wont come back until it improves. Its :censored:e at the moment at home especially, I have not seen us win since Rochdale at home last season. Will I stop going? No because I love the club and any fan who decides they dont want to go any more because its :censored: you are making it worse and just adding more pressure to the club. I understand that people stop going due to other reasons i.e money or work etc. But if your a fan who no longer goes because you cant be arsed then your making it worse for the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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