bozman Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 There was a guy from the Telegraph on talk sport earlier. He said they didn't go after Big Sam at all. He just fell in to their lap, when they went after the agents. He hinted there may be legal issues regarding the naming of other Premier League bosses. Southampton have now said their assistant manager, Eric Black, will be featuring in the Telegraph revelations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCinWolves Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 They also questioned why the telegraph are drip feeding it night after night and questioned their integrity. If they are acting in the best interest of football and not selling papers then it should of all being in the open straight away Monday night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz_Oafc Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Not sure if it's genuine but there's a list doing the rounds on Twitter, a lot of Utd links in some shape or form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayItLivo Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 What next - entrapping the next Adam Johnson? Where do you draw a line? One of my favourite shows on TV was "To Catch A Predator" and the new version Hansen V Predator. You can call it entrapment, but if it's exposing those willing and able to commit these offences then it's fair game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 One of my favourite shows on TV was "To Catch A Predator" and the new version Hansen V Predator. You can call it entrapment, but if it's exposing those willing and able to commit these offences then it's fair game. Exactly, if you are willing to do whatever it is then it is entrapment. Entrapment is diiferent to incitement or coercion or bribery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 And it seems to have passed everyone by that the police aren't involved with any of these three cases. No laws have been broken. I don't think you are opening your eyes to the enormity of this. Given the performances of some of our signings over the years, it really is the shortest step to imagine some of them were signed to make certain members of the management team a tidy sum or two. And the consequences of that on our performance and league position. It certainly requires no leap of imagination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 They also questioned why the telegraph are drip feeding it night after night and questioned their integrity. If they are acting in the best interest of football and not selling papers then it should of all being in the open straight away Monday nightRunning an investigation for a year and you expect them to blurt it all on one day? They are trying to run a business. They broke the MP expenses bit by bit, it's worth it if it means they can make money for revealing something important Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozman Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 You have to remember the Telegraph's primary motivation is to sell more copies of their paper. It's logical that they would want to drip feed this over several days to maximise sales. If they've been investigating for 10 months they've committed a lot of money to this which they'll want to recoup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisbrogan Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 It's widespread, has been for years & it's naïve to even consider otherwise. Football is a global business and backhanders will always be a part of that and I've no doubt that third party ownership of players will be the norm in the future. I'm genuinely shocked that people are surprised to hear these 'revelations' but I'm not having anyone that thinks the Telegraph have done a good job in all this. Their sole interest is circulation and page impressions - nothing at all to do with wanting any integrity in the game. If they ever get to investigate illegal approaches/ payments made to parents by big clubs to try and get young kids to academies, then I'm sure a few grand here and there in the senior game won't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Nothing I've read or watched suggests that was the case.... Of course it is the case. they did not set up meetings with 185 managers and assistant managers + Allardyce, they were tipped off and had some knowledge of where to look. How would the Telegraph have even heard of Tommy Wright otherwise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Look forward to seeing similar exposes with bankers, politicians etc etc. Where have you been for the last 7 years. You only need to look at some back copies of the Telegraph, around. More on bankers, would be ideal I grant you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisbrogan Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Where have you been for the last 7 years. You only need to look at some back copies of the Telegraph, around. More on bankers, would be ideal I grant you. The Telegraph is owned by the Barclay brothers so won't be doing any stories on how the ultra-rich protect their money from the tax system or the banks that look after it. Much easier to go after football managers & coaches - it's a wonderful distraction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Good grief, there is some right crap on here tonight. Newspapers want to sell papers. Why criticise them for doing so? Coaches and Managers (plus others, even Agents) are covered by FA rules. If they are breaking those rules, get proof. If you want to prove that someone will accept a bung in a brown paper bag, why not film them accepting the brown paper bag? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 (edited) The Telegraph is owned by the Barclay brothers so won't be doing any stories on how the ultra-rich protect their money from the tax system or the banks that look after it. Much easier to go after football managers & coaches - it's a wonderful distraction. Granted on bankers, I wasnt implying it just be the Telegraph do it. In fact the FT broke the Libor scandal. But maybe that is why it was less newsworthy, also because most did not understand it, but it was huge. But the Telegraph exposed the Westminster expenses scandal, which snowballed to cause an earthquake in the political elite. But I never suggested it was done altruisticly, youd be naive to think that. Edited September 30, 2016 by singe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 I don't don't think people are getting the scale of this. We've just seen a few examplens so far. So here is what Collymore has just tweeted. Take a look at @StanCollymore's Tweet: https://twitter.com/StanCollymore/status/781604467477213184?s=09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCinWolves Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Running an investigation for a year and you expect them to blurt it all on one day? They are trying to run a business. They broke the MP expenses bit by bit, it's worth it if it means they can make money for revealing something important Ha are you having a laugh? It's worth it if they can make some money happy days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCinWolves Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 (edited) The MPs was fraud it can't be compared to Allardyce. Allardyce has lost his job because he was asked how to get round 3rd party owner ship and would he do a key note speech on it for 400k which he said yes but would have to run it by the FA. 3rd party ownership isn't banned by UK law it's not banned by UEAF it's not banned by FIFA, just the FA because they buggered up wiv Carlos Teves when he signed for West Ham and Sheffield UTD wanted to take the FA to court as that was the reason they got relegated that season not the other games they played crap in...so needed to save face. The rest of the world 3rd party ownership is fine and accepted its not something illegal or imoral or seedy, it's just businesses trying to make money like it's ok for the telegraph to do. On bungs which is illegal Sam quiet clearly calls the man an idiot and states I can't beleive you have just said that to me you stupid man. 30 years ago you could but you can't pay a player a manager or a CEO not a chance. And puts his face in his napkin in disbelief. I am struggling to see where the crime is. Edited September 30, 2016 by OAFCinWolves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 (edited) The MPs was fraud it can't be compared to Allardyce. Allardyce has lost his job because he was asked how to get round 3rd party owner ship and would he do a key note speech on it for 400k which he said yes but would have to run it by the FA. 3rd party ownership isn't banned by UK law it's not banned by UEAF it's not banned by FIFA, just the FA because they buggered up wiv Carlos Teves when he signed for West Ham and Sheffield UTD wanted to take the FA to court as that was the reason they got relegated that season not the other games they played crap in...so needed to save face. The rest of the world 3rd party ownership is fine and accepted its not something illegal or imoral or seedy, it's just businesses trying to make money like it's ok for the telegraph to do. On bungs which is illegal Sam quiet clearly calls the man an idiot and states I can't beleive you have just said that to me you stupid man. 30 years ago you could but you can't pay a player a manager or a CEO not a chance. And puts his face in his napkin in disbelief. I am struggling to see where the crime is. I didn't compare it, I was merely pointing out on reply to someone that investigations are needed on politicians. Which the Telegraph did on 2009.The point is not about crime, its about breaking rules. Same as you have rules for your job, not all are criminal law. Also if Allardyce was so innocent why did he not stay? At worst he could have stayed got sacked and claimed unfair dismissal. It seems unlikely that Alardyce and in particular signings going to be revealed are going to fully declare and pay tax on them.... 3rd party ownership is banned by FIFA, has been since May 2015. Edited September 30, 2016 by singe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 The Telegraph editor has tweeted it will be 8 current and former managers. A couple of tweets after this list was posted and all comments Bruce who was on match of the day commenting about Allardye. Pardew Hughes Giggs Pulis Redknapp Moyes And many adding Fergiecascthe as the 8th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Think some managers have taken out injunctions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Would love to get him back at the club working with the young lads. Cracking coach and top bloke. Made a balls up but come on, we nearly sign ched Evans and jumped at Lee Hughes. Yawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisbrogan Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 I'm sure there are people that would like to scale it down to a handful of individuals but as it goes on everywhere & in many different countries, I don't see much of a story. There are many football league clubs who sign a lot of players that belong to their favoured agent or agency. Ask yourself how that relationship works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stanley30 Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Yawn Mmmwwwwaaaaahahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCinWolves Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 (edited) I didn't compare it, I was merely pointing out on reply to someone that investigations are needed on politicians. Which the Telegraph did on 2009. The point is not about crime, its about breaking rules. Same as you have rules for your job, not all are criminal law. Also if Allardyce was so innocent why did he not stay? At worst he could have stayed got sacked and claimed unfair dismissal. It seems unlikely that Alardyce and in particular signings going to be revealed are going to fully declare and pay tax on them.... 3rd party ownership is banned by FIFA, has been since May 2015. Sorry missed where fifa changed the rules last year but just Google it u are correct ...it does state though it's being challenged in court as the ban may be illegal. Yes I have rules at work and yes I can sit there and talk about breaking them and I also so can suggest how other people could break them or get round them but I won't get sacked or have to resign because I won't have actually broken any rules....I'll have just talked about it...like Sam. I think you have to be in your job 12months to claim unfair dismissal. Once the media want there person they usually get what they want Edited September 30, 2016 by OAFCinWolves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick1979 Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 (edited) The Telegraph editor has tweeted it will be 8 current and former managers. A couple of tweets after this list was posted and all comments Bruce who was on match of the day commenting about Allardye. Pardew Hughes Giggs Pulis Redknapp Moyes And many adding Fergiecascthe as the 8th Im not saying the list is inaccurate but it stems from a spoof website with some ridiculous stories (try searching civil unrest mag). The names changed a number of times on its own article and it has now disappeared. Eric black only appeared on its list when the news broke online last night. I think Stan Collymore has been sucked in. Edited September 30, 2016 by nick1979 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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