Twisbrogan Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Shooting fish in a barrel with the kind of investigative reporting that I'd expect a GCSE student to be able to pull off. You don't have to look hard at all to find clubs bending & breaking rules over payments especially the bigger clubs & younger players. That this nation of curtain twitchers chooses to be alarmed at this end of it shows how out of touch people are with how football works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Shooting fish in a barrel with the kind of investigative reporting that I'd expect a GCSE student to be able to pull off. You don't have to look hard at all to find clubs bending & breaking rules over payments especially the bigger clubs & younger players. That this nation of curtain twitchers chooses to be alarmed at this end of it shows how out of touch people are with how football works. And how out of touch football is with basic decency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCinWolves Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 I don't have any sympathy. I found one of the most distasteful things about the Allardyce affair his statement that entrapment had won, implying that he didn't really take responsibility for any of it. It's their willingness to engage in this :censored: that's put them where they are. The greed, especially in Big Sam's case, is incredible. But surely there is a difference between facilitating it yourself and being led there? If the telegraph hadn't set him up would it have ever happened?....temptation is nigh with every human being it's all part of being human and money is the root of evil apparently. For every action there is a reaction it's the first action though that starts the chain events. And to me it was done through the Greed to sell papers with total disregard to anything or anyone else. They have set people up to fall they haven't caught them in the act they have created the act and managed the environment and from there have provided the platform for them to fail....it's all stage managed. A trap! Telegraph is lower than a snakes belly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 :censored: him the way he celebrated with Barnsley on his return with Lee Johnson .....Karma Yeah lets set him up, film it and ban him from the game because he celebrated his team scoring a goal in front of fans who had been hurling abuse at him! Thats not :censored:ing Karma! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 If the telegraph hadn't set him up would it have ever happened? One of life's great philosophical quandaries. In the circumstances of Allardyce, he knew the rules - it went through at least one exploratory meeting and he had many opportunities to back out of it. He was willing to go through with the deals. This man is at the top of the chain in English football, the top job - pinnacle of English football's excellence (even if you agree with that description or his appointment or not - it's the truth) - he knew better, and with all the warning signs in place - he still went for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozman Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Ok, it is entrapment but you have to ask why these people were targeted and it's likely because they've all done it before and got away with it. The Telegraph found out these agents were dodgy so went to them with the fictitious but potentially lucrative proposition. You can bet with such potential rewards on offer, it was the agents who led them to their 'trusted' people in football - i.e. people they could trust to do what the 'investors' wanted and take a bung for it, because they'd done it for these agents before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozman Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 One of life's great philosophical quandaries. In the circumstances of Allardyce, he knew the rules - it went through at least one exploratory meeting and he had many opportunities to back out of it. He was willing to go through with the deals. This man is at the top of the chain in English football, the top job - pinnacle of English football's excellence (even if you agree with that description or his appointment or not - it's the truth) - he knew better, and with all the warning signs in place - he still went for it. Exactly. It was reported last night that Allardyce's own agent advised him not to atrend the second meeting, but he decided to go anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Shouldn't they (Allardyce and co) be sacked for being corrupt then? How would we ever know but for these sting operations regardless of why they are undertaken? Would those crying about "entrapment" feel better about it if it was Scotland Yard performing such operations instead? Or would they too be sly for doing it? I would imagine the general public would rather their resources went elsewhere in crime fighting tbh. I can't understand anyone feeling sorry or excusing what has gone on by taking aim at the journalists involved. Indeed, it was journalists who took on FIFA and led to the FA going after Sepp Blatter and co. Didn't see anyone on here having a problem with that then. I smell hypocrisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 If you'd never seen anything like that before in the course of a long career there's no way you casually take £5k as a bung. You'd smell a rat and run a mile. It's clearly not out of the ordinary, at least for those who fell for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 If you'd never seen anything like that before in the course of a long career there's no way you casually take £5k as a bung. You'd smell a rat and run a mile. It's clearly not out of the ordinary, at least for those who fell for it Yep. I think it's pretty clear from the videos that this was nothing new to the people involved. And Wright's "just put the money there" and not looking at it, isn't the act of a man who thinks he's doing nothing wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 But surely there is a difference between facilitating it yourself and being led there? If the telegraph hadn't set him up would it have ever happened?....temptation is nigh with every human being it's all part of being human and money is the root of evil apparently. For every action there is a reaction it's the first action though that starts the chain events. And to me it was done through the Greed to sell papers with total disregard to anything or anyone else. They have set people up to fall they haven't caught them in the act they have created the act and managed the environment and from there have provided the platform for them to fail....it's all stage managed. A trap! Telegraph is lower than a snakes belly. He obviously thought it was for real or else he wouldn't have continued, in other words the Telegraph were just posing as the real thing. Well done to them trying to root out the greed in football today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Ok, it is entrapment but you have to ask why these people were targeted and it's likely because they've all done it before and got away with it. The Telegraph found out these agents were dodgy so went to them with the fictitious but potentially lucrative proposition. You can bet with such potential rewards on offer, it was the agents who led them to their 'trusted' people in football - i.e. people they could trust to do what the 'investors' wanted and take a bung for it, because they'd done it for these agents before. Absolutely and you would have to argue why Tommy Wright in particular he's small fry. Is this seasons :censored: storm about to go down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisbrogan Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Well done to them trying to root out the greed in football today. Easy pickings on their part. The only way to root it out is to ban football at every level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc-latics Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 So what if it's entrapment? Why should they be defended because they didn't know they were being filmed? They were willing to do these deals, so they should accept getting caught (unlike Allardyce's 'entrapment has won' comments which suggests he's only sorry that he's been caught), I didn't see anyone trying to defend Cristian Montano when he was caught in exactly the same circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Montana was trying to influence the result of a game he was playing in, big difference in my eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamoafc Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Been sacked now! https://twitter.com/theleaguepaper/status/781465116093079552 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Turner Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Tommy Wright, Tommy Wright, Tommy, Tommy Wright He took a bung, and then got stung Serves him f*cking right BTW. Latics long since gone to sh*t, the game in crisis. Last season was the first in 31 years I could not even be arsed going to one single Latics game. Off to Meadow Lane tomorrow with the boy to hopefully see Shezza's 'Pies slap-down the Shrimpers. Might be fun. Best manager in the bottom two divisions, for me. Also strangely gratifying to see Tommy's mate - the turncoat, Lee Johnson, doing so well at his spiritual home, Bristol City. The soul of football is beating a swift retreat to the lower end of the football leagues and the non-league. All the rest is fluff and corruption. I do care, and yet, somehow, I don't. Pass me another beer, Maureen ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozman Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Spoke to a journalist friend of mine who has a theory that the other big names that were going to exposed haven't been named yet as they have/ are applying for injunctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Tommy Wright, Tommy Wright, Tommy, Tommy Wright He took a bung, and then got stung Serves him f*cking right BTW. Latics long since gone to sh*t, the game in crisis. Last season was the first in 31 years I could not even be arsed going to one single Latics game. Off to Meadow Lane tomorrow with the boy to hopefully see Shezza's 'Pies slap-down the Shrimpers. Might be fun. Best manager in the bottom two divisions, for me. Also strangely gratifying to see Tommy's mate - the turncoat, Lee Johnson, doing so well at his spiritual home, Bristol City. The soul of football is beating a swift retreat to the lower end of the football leagues and the non-league. All the rest is fluff and corruption. I do care, and yet, somehow, I don't. Pass me another beer, Maureen ... Sheridan. Now there's a very close friend of Tommy's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfatjoe1 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Absolutely and you would have to argue why Tommy Wright in particular he's small fry. Is this seasons :censored: storm about to go down? Size-ist! The two-faced dwarf was caught by invesitigative journalism, an important part of our fine liberal democracy. Entrapment my arse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Sheridan. Now there's a very close friend of Tommy's.You'll never convince me that Shez would do anything dodgy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 I don't have any sympathy. I found one of the most distasteful things about the Allardyce affair his statement that entrapment had won, implying that he didn't really take responsibility for any of it. It's their willingness to engage in this :censored: that's put them where they are. The greed, especially in Big Sam's case, is incredible. I've got no sympathy for him either. Even if this is the only time he's ever "done" something like this. The little nothings they've filmed him saying and his apparent nervousness suggest it might be. But if the Telegraph tried something similar to this with 10 people from any walk of life 3 of them would probably stupidly take the bait (and the money). No mention that I've seen that they were tipped off that Wright or Hasselbaink were at it. How is this journalism? They're creating news & scandal rather than simply reporting on it. Have you seen that series of The Wire where the journo makes up his stories - how is this different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Ok, it is entrapment but you have to ask why these people were targeted and it's likely because they've all done it before and got away with it. Nothing I've read or watched suggests that was the case.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 If you'd never seen anything like that before in the course of a long career there's no way you casually take £5k as a bung. You'd smell a rat and run a mile. It's clearly not out of the ordinary, at least for those who fell for it Do you not think he seems a bit ill at ease in the video footage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 No mention that I've seen that they were tipped off that Wright or Hasselbaink were at it. How is this journalism? They're creating news & scandal rather than simply reporting on it. Have you seen that series of The Wire where the journo makes up his stories - how is this different? The Telegraph knew that the banned agent and Scott McGarvey were both at it. That was the story. Poor Tommy got dragged into it....awwwww Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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