Matt Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 I've got no sympathy for him either. Even if this is the only time he's ever "done" something like this. The little nothings they've filmed him saying and his apparent nervousness suggest it might be. But if the Telegraph tried something similar to this with 10 people from any walk of life 3 of them would probably stupidly take the bait (and the money). No mention that I've seen that they were tipped off that Wright or Hasselbaink were at it. How is this journalism? They're creating news & scandal rather than simply reporting on it. Have you seen that series of The Wire where the journo makes up his stories - how is this different? It's not telly - and the Telegraph didn't do a similar exercise with ten people from any walk of life - it's irrelevant. The reporting is justified on the basis that there's a bloke employed by the Football Association - at the very top of team management - who is offering advice on how to circumvent its very own rules. Is it not in the public interest? Clearly it doesn't stop with this idiot either - Gill had sufficient leave of his senses to employ him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 (edited) The reporting is justified on the basis that there's a bloke employed by the Football Association - at the very top of team management - who is offering advice on how to circumvent its very own rules. There wasn't "a bloke employed by the Football Association - at the very top of team management - who is offering advice on how to circumvent its very own rules". Had there been I'd agree with you that the reporting was justified. It would have been "investigative journalism" as they'd been tipped off there was something to investigate. There wasn't anything to investigate, they've dreamt up and created two situations where Allardyce & Wright have SUBSEQUENTLY stupidly dropped themselves in it. I don't dispute they deserve everything they get but I don't get how so many are so comfortable with this type of journalism. That said Allardyce is a wealthy man and will be absolutely fine. But it might well be life changing for Wright. I'm uncomfortable with that if he's never been involved in this kind of thing before. If he has though, he deserves what he gets... What next - entrapping the next Adam Johnson? Where do you draw a line? Edited September 29, 2016 by HarryBosch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Spoke to a journalist friend of mine who has a theory that the other big names that were going to exposed haven't been named yet as they have/ are applying for injunctions. Ah, super injunctions. we know they are big fish then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 And it seems to have passed everyone by that the police aren't involved with any of these three cases. No laws have been broken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozman Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Nothing I've read or watched suggests that was the case.... No, I've seen nothing in the public domain to suggest it either, but clearly the Telegraph had some information that led them to believe McGarvey and Palino were up to dodgy stuff. They'd not have wasted time and money investigating them if that wasn't the case. They didn't need to target the football people. They knew that the agents would lead them to the people willing to get involved. My point is that there is a high probability that McGarvey went to Tommy with that proposition because he was confident he'd be up for it on the basis of previous dealings with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 No, I've seen nothing in the public domain to suggest it either, but clearly the Telegraph had some information that led them to believe McGarvey and Palino were up to dodgy stuff. They'd not have wasted time and money investigating them if that wasn't the case. They didn't need to target the football people. They knew that the agents would lead them to the people willing to get involved. My point is that there is a high probability that McGarvey went to Tommy with that proposition because he was confident he'd be up for it on the basis of previous dealings with him. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3812607/Scott-McGarvey-lose-license-agent-faces-FA-probe-following-Sam-Allardyce-scandal.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 And it seems to have passed everyone by that the police aren't involved with any of these three cases. No laws have been broken. Police are investigating now and asking the Telegraph for their info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Look forward to seeing similar exposes with bankers, politicians etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 But surely there is a difference between facilitating it yourself and being led there? If the telegraph hadn't set him up would it have ever happened?....temptation is nigh with every human being it's all part of being human and money is the root of evil apparently. For every action there is a reaction it's the first action though that starts the chain events. And to me it was done through the Greed to sell papers with total disregard to anything or anyone else. They have set people up to fall they haven't caught them in the act they have created the act and managed the environment and from there have provided the platform for them to fail....it's all stage managed. A trap! Telegraph is lower than a snakes belly. I strongly suspect that they just set out to prove what they already knew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Have you seen that series of The Wire where the journo makes up his stories - how is this different? Err,The Wire is fiction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 The greed, especially in Big Sam's case, is incredible. Although his playing career wasn't in the moneybags era I was surprised at how modest a house he appears to inhabit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 There wasn't "a bloke employed by the Football Association - at the very top of team management - who is offering advice on how to circumvent its very own rules". Had there been I'd agree with you that the reporting was justified. It would have been "investigative journalism" as they'd been tipped off there was something to investigate. There wasn't anything to investigate, they've dreamt up and created two situations where Allardyce & Wright have SUBSEQUENTLY stupidly dropped themselves in it. I don't dispute they deserve everything they get but I don't get how so many are so comfortable with this type of journalism. That said Allardyce is a wealthy man and will be absolutely fine. But it might well be life changing for Wright. I'm uncomfortable with that if he's never been involved in this kind of thing before. If he has though, he deserves what he gets... What next - entrapping the next Adam Johnson? Where do you draw a line? So by that comment, I assume you have a major problem with journalists (or even police for that matter) posing on the internet as paedophiles in order to catch some of the most vile and dangerous abusers out there? Great to see the art of some Latics fans defending the indefensible is still alive and well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 So by that comment, I assume you have a major problem with journalists (or even police for that matter) posing on the internet as paedophiles in order to catch some of the most vile and dangerous abusers out there? Great to see the art of some Latics fans defending the indefensible is still alive and well. I suppose I did go off on a tangent there but not quite as big a tangent as yours... Where have I defended either of them? They (probably) deserve whatever they get, I just struggle with the fact there were no stories until the Telegraph created them. Adam Johnson was a bad analogy but, there's allsorts they could do if the public are happy with this brand of journalism. What's fair game and what isn't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 There wasn't "a bloke employed by the Football Association - at the very top of team management - who is offering advice on how to circumvent its very own rules". Had there been I'd agree with you that the reporting was justified. It would have been "investigative journalism" as they'd been tipped off there was something to investigate. There wasn't anything to investigate, they've dreamt up and created two situations where Allardyce & Wright have SUBSEQUENTLY stupidly dropped themselves in it. I don't dispute they deserve everything they get but I don't get how so many are so comfortable with this type of journalism. That said Allardyce is a wealthy man and will be absolutely fine. But it might well be life changing for Wright. I'm uncomfortable with that if he's never been involved in this kind of thing before. If he has though, he deserves what he gets... What next - entrapping the next Adam Johnson? Where do you draw a line? It was a ten-month investigation, and the series of interviews were the culmination of those efforts. For me, this is a perfect example of investigative journalism. This wasn't some one-off fishing trip. Don't forget that the common denominator is McGarvey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCinWolves Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 It was a ten-month investigation, and the series of interviews were the culmination of those efforts. For me, this is a perfect example of investigative journalism. This wasn't some one-off fishing trip. Don't forget that the common denominator is McGarvey. You don't need to investigate if you have already managed how it's going down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Look forward to seeing similar exposes with bankers, politicians etc etc.They caught some politicians out with a honeytrap on twitter not long since Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorvik_latic Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 I've heard that the investigation started with The Telegraph putting feelers out to agents etc. asking if anyone is interested in third party ownership. Everyone in football knows that's not allowed so no sympathy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 So over a 10 month period of the whole of English football they have found only 3-4 that would atleast entertain/be prepared to walk into the trap of taking a bung. No sympathy for those caught but it would suggest the majority of football is comparitively clean unless more revelations emerge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 So over a 10 month period of the whole of English football they have found only 3-4 that would atleast entertain/be prepared to walk into the trap of taking a bung. No sympathy for those caught but it would suggest the majority of football is comparitively clean unless more revelations emerge? The Telegraph are not going to print all that they know in one edition are they? Plus there might be the legals too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 It was a ten-month investigation, and the series of interviews were the culmination of those efforts. For me, this is a perfect example of investigative journalism. This wasn't some one-off fishing trip. Don't forget that the common denominator is McGarvey. There were investigations 10 years, incredibly Lord Stevens found no evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 So over a 10 month period of the whole of English football they have found only 3-4 that would atleast entertain/be prepared to walk into the trap of taking a bung. No sympathy for those caught but it would suggest the majority of football is comparitively clean unless more revelations emerge? They would only have the resources to expose a few, many more will be very nervous as a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfatjoe1 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 There wasn't "a bloke employed by the Football Association - at the very top of team management - who is offering advice on how to circumvent its very own rules". Had there been I'd agree with you that the reporting was justified. It would have been "investigative journalism" as they'd been tipped off there was something to investigate. There wasn't anything to investigate, they've dreamt up and created two situations where Allardyce & Wright have SUBSEQUENTLY stupidly dropped themselves in it. I don't dispute they deserve everything they get but I don't get how so many are so comfortable with this type of journalism. That said Allardyce is a wealthy man and will be absolutely fine. But it might well be life changing for Wright. I'm uncomfortable with that if he's never been involved in this kind of thing before. If he has though, he deserves what he gets... What next - entrapping the next Adam Johnson? Where do you draw a line? Well, why not? I'm in favour. Pervert. Clearly there was something to investigate. Corrupt tendencies. An old dinosaur who's been suspected of dodgy deals in the past but who's always avoided being caught. He's bent and now he's finally been nailed. The greedy bastard. Same goes for the others. The Telegraph (which i actually dislike) has simply revealed a problem, and this might well be the tip of the iceberg. It beggars belief that Allardyce is actually bemoaning being 'trapped.' Knob! You shouldn't have done it!!!! He's not been trapped by the forces of evil. Talk about deflection and delusion. His actions ARE the problem. Same with FIFA. Another bunch of bastards who use football to line their own pockets. Ultimately, the fans are the ones being ripped off and the game we love is being abused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stanley30 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Would love to get him back at the club working with the young lads. Cracking coach and top bloke. Made a balls up but come on, we nearly sign ched Evans and jumped at Lee Hughes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 They would only have the resources to expose a few, many more will be very nervous as a result. Quite probably it will be interesting to see how this plays out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Would love to get him back at the club working with the young lads. Cracking coach and top bloke. Made a balls up but come on, we nearly sign ched Evans and jumped at Lee Hughes. Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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