HarryBosch Posted March 9, 2017 Author Share Posted March 9, 2017 Nothing today! Do you get comfy with a beer & some snacks before checking like I do with Shez interviews? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueatheart Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 And a partridge in a pear tree - is it too early to do a Latics 12 days of Christmas? FIVE GOLD RINGS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 And a partridge in a pear tree - is it too early to do a Latics 12 days of Christmas?Five Scouser Loans would be better. Give it till June. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 If the Trust have no clout over this then it is time to pull out. It will be discussed at next weeks meeting as I can assure you we not exactly doing cartwheels over these possible changes. I would like to know what you would think would happen if the trust did, let's say walk away. What exit strategy do you envisage and what would you recommend happens with the seat on the board? I'm curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 The seat on the board would be as much use if you walked away as it is now, a Trust on board gives Corney some sort of credibility and he's happy to milk the Trust when it suits, he knows the Trust don't have a leg to stand on because our positions so weak, an independant Trust would be far more effective were questions could be asked without fear of reprisal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 It will be discussed at next weeks meeting as I can assure you we not exactly doing cartwheels over these possible changes. I would like to know what you would think would happen if the trust did, let's say walk away. What exit strategy do you envisage and what would you recommend happens with the seat on the board? I'm curious. In my view Tracey, there is no point having a seat on the board if important decisions are taken outside that board room. A representative being there at meetings or not being there is rendered totally irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted March 9, 2017 Author Share Posted March 9, 2017 The seat on the board would be as much use if you walked away as it is now, a Trust on board gives Corney some sort of credibility and he's happy to milk the Trust when it suits, he knows the Trust don't have a leg to stand on because our positions so weak, an independant Trust would be far more effective were questions could be asked without fear of reprisal. Or answers.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted March 9, 2017 Author Share Posted March 9, 2017 In my view Tracey, there is no point having a seat on the board if important decisions are taken outside that board room. A representative being there at meetings or not being there is rendered totally irrelevant. SC owns 97% of the club so he'll do what he wants anyway. Having a Trust representative involved and privy to just some of what goes on & able to put ideas and different viewpoints across is still better to have than not have. Assuming this loan is to cover important costs surely the trust would had no choice but to give it the thumbs up anyway had they had any influence.....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Thanks for the input chaps. If we hypothetically, gave up the seat and the money that was raised to purchase it and there was a new Independent fans/trust. Can I ask What format/working with the current club board set up would you want/demand how would you get a seat on that board? Or access to the board to get the required/necessary info you think you might need Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 I don't suppose anyone would want to shake a bucket around to help the trust to raise...ohhh say about £18mil is it? To buy the current owner out? No? Just a thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Would an independent trust need a relationship with the club? As Yarddog says, the current way doesn't really seem to be yielding much for our benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flemboy Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Recently sent Diane £100 for the Trust fund so only another £17999900 to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Thanks for the input chaps. If we hypothetically, gave up the seat and the money that was raised to purchase it and there was a new Independent fans/trust. Can I ask What format/working with the current club board set up would you want/demand how would you get a seat on that board? Or access to the board to get the required/necessary info you think you might need Thanks in advance What would the trust achieve by severing ties with the club and being "independent" that it can't do now? Correct me If I'm wrong but if the trust became independent it would just become a talking shop and then would probably dissolve completely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 What would the trust achieve by severing ties with the club and being "independent" that it can't do now? Correct me If I'm wrong but if the trust became independent it would just become a talking shop and then would probably dissolve completely On the flip side, what are the benefits as things stand now? Would be interesting to hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Would an independent trust need a relationship with the club? As Yarddog says, the current way doesn't really seem to be yielding much for our benefit. Then what would be it's purpose? To work with or work against the club and how would you get any viable information to make a judgement call? Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 In my view Tracey, there is no point having a seat on the board if important decisions are taken outside that board room. A representative being there at meetings or not being there is rendered totally irrelevant. Perhaps, but if that scenario occurs then it would highlight problems much more widely than random fans asking questions and being brushed off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 (edited) Then what would be it's purpose? To work with or work against the club and how would you get any viable information to make a judgement call? Thanks in advance Not sure, certainly not against the club though. Maybe you guys on the inside as it were could outline what you see, without voting rights, as the benefits? Edited March 9, 2017 by deyres42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Why does the club appear to work against SB our only real representative, it's not like the relationship comes across as a cordial one at times, I may of course be getting the wrong end of the stick but it appears theirs little respect from some at the club for his position and those he's there to represent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Maybe you g Not sure, certainly not against the club though. Maybe you guys on the inside as it were could outline what you see as the benefits? I am the wrong person to be typing this as I've typed/re typed it for the last 5mins and it's coming across as waffle...as I do waffle. So i am hoping Leeslover or Jorvik can put a sensible spin on it. What I will say is would you prefer NOT to have any representation at board level? Or Is it better not to have any knowledge on what's happening at the club/owners behaviour? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 (edited) Why does the club appear to work against SB our only real representative, it's not like the relationship comes across as a cordial one at times, I may of course be getting the wrong end of the stick but it appears theirs little respect from some at the club for his position and those he's there to represent.I am glad you and others have noted this. Maybe it's because he has been asking the questions as trust director and your board representation, we believe we should have the knowledge about, even have the legal right to know. Edited March 9, 2017 by underdog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 On the flip side, what are the benefits as things stand now? Would be interesting to hear. We have a seat on the board abd a 3 % it's upto to the trust to use it the best they can. Now I've answered you're questions you answer how would the trust improve by going independent and distancing itself from the club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 We have a seat on the board abd a 3 % it's upto to the trust to use it the best they can. You've worded it much better than me cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 It's a difficult one this; both arguments have merit. Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that both potential outcomes are fairly impotent.What is the Trust able to achieve now, given that the club clearly limits any real insight into the important stuff, such as finances, knowledge of which was one of the principal arguments for the seat on the Board in the first place? I like the fact that the Trust now talk in terms of Simon B representing the fans as part of his role after Barry very openly abandoned that aspect. But that can only be done to the extent the club is willing to engage. The board meeting "mix-up" said an awful lot about how much the club directors intend to involve the Trust.On the flip side, is it a weaker position still to walk away and give up the notional involvement in the club the Trust enjoys today? Would it perhaps allow the Trust to speak more openly about any concerns it has about the way the club is operating? It must be difficult for someone in Simon B's shoes to speak out about something and then sit in the boardroom with a pissed off Corney, Barry et al. As others have said, would the Trust even maintain the appetite to continue, completely separated from the club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 We have a seat on the board abd a 3 % it's upto to the trust to use it the best they can. Now I've answered you're questions you answer how would the trust improve by going independent and distancing itself from the club? I don't know if it would. A quick nosy at few other trusts shows their aim is generally to get a place on the board - so in theory we are there but without voting rights what does it yield? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 It's a difficult one this; both arguments have merit. Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that both potential outcomes are fairly impotent. What is the Trust able to achieve now, given that the club clearly limits any real insight into the important stuff, such as finances, knowledge of which was one of the principal arguments for the seat on the Board in the first place? I like the fact that the Trust now talk in terms of Simon B representing the fans as part of his role after Barry very openly abandoned that aspect. But that can only be done to the extent the club is willing to engage. The board meeting "mix-up" said an awful lot about how much the club directors intend to involve the Trust. On the flip side, is a weaker position still to walk away and give up the notional involvement in the club the Trust enjoys today? Would it perhaps allow the Trust to speak more openly about any concerns it has about the way the club is operating? It must be difficult for someone in Simon B's to speak out about something and then sit in the boardroom with a pissed off Corney, Barry et al. As others have said, would the Trust even maintain the appetite to continue, completely separated from the club? Insightful...thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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