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Under your Ken Clarke tap-on-the-wrist-and-call-it-evens, cut-price justice system, they're unlikely even to get a stern talking to. They'll probably be granted new identities - a fresh life to screw up.

 

I suggest that the Labour supporting anti-Tory fool looks up who was in power when 3 of the 4 people (to my knowledge) to be given new identities were released.

 

I've heard some stuff about the case (since one of the people investigating it goes down my Dad's local) I doubt they will get off with a slap on the wrist but I think a good lawyer could do so.

 

 

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Not necessarily, it's an either way offence which means it can be heard in the Mags or Crown, depends on the individual circumstances of the case as to whether the magistrates feel their sentencing powers would be sufficient in the event of a conviction.

 

Arson is 'criminal damage by fire' so it shouldn't be charged as anything else, if charged at all.

This Linky suggests arson has to go to Crown Court (page 4).

 

Not done any deeper reseach though as the boss is in work and I thought I should actually pretend to be doing what I'm paid for.

 

 

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This Linky suggests arson has to go to Crown Court (page 4).

 

Not done any deeper reseach though as the boss is in work and I thought I should actually pretend to be doing what I'm paid for.

 

I don't know who the author of the article is or what she does for a living but it's pretty vague.

 

Most of the time arson will end up in the Crown Court but technically it is an offence that can be heard from start to finish in the Magistrates Court. When charged the Magistrates will take a number of factors into account when deciding whether they feel they can deal with it, they will take an early view of the evidence and decide whether they feel their sentencing powers (max 6 months) are sufficient should the defendant be convicted.

 

Even if the Magistrates accept jurisdiction the defendant can elect for the matter to be heard in the Crown Court (which is normally the route taken) as there is statistically more chance of an acquittal in the Crown Court and even if convicted (by jury or on a guilty plea) while Crown Court judges have much stronger sentencing powers it would be likely that they wouldn't be as harsh as the Magistrates would if given a chance.

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I don't know who the author of the article is or what she does for a living but it's pretty vague.

 

Most of the time arson will end up in the Crown Court but technically it is an offence that can be heard from start to finish in the Magistrates Court. When charged the Magistrates will take a number of factors into account when deciding whether they feel they can deal with it, they will take an early view of the evidence and decide whether they feel their sentencing powers (max 6 months) are sufficient should the defendant be convicted.

 

Even if the Magistrates accept jurisdiction the defendant can elect for the matter to be heard in the Crown Court (which is normally the route taken) as there is statistically more chance of an acquittal in the Crown Court and even if convicted (by jury or on a guilty plea) while Crown Court judges have much stronger sentencing powers it would be likely that they wouldn't be as harsh as the Magistrates would if given a chance.

 

I'd like to issue a complaint about the way this thread has progressed. :ranting:

 

It started life as an amusing collection of ideas for suitable retribution to be shown by these two (alleged) reprobates but has since degenerated into a meaningless debate about the (assumed) process of English law. Come on lads, grow up and return to what you do best. :wink:

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I don't know who the author of the article is or what she does for a living but it's pretty vague.

 

Most of the time arson will end up in the Crown Court but technically it is an offence that can be heard from start to finish in the Magistrates Court. When charged the Magistrates will take a number of factors into account when deciding whether they feel they can deal with it, they will take an early view of the evidence and decide whether they feel their sentencing powers (max 6 months) are sufficient should the defendant be convicted.

 

Even if the Magistrates accept jurisdiction the defendant can elect for the matter to be heard in the Crown Court (which is normally the route taken) as there is statistically more chance of an acquittal in the Crown Court and even if convicted (by jury or on a guilty plea) while Crown Court judges have much stronger sentencing powers it would be likely that they wouldn't be as harsh as the Magistrates would if given a chance.

 

 

 

give it a rest mcgoo, you're just a brew boy.

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I don't know who the author of the article is or what she does for a living but it's pretty vague.

 

Most of the time arson will end up in the Crown Court but technically it is an offence that can be heard from start to finish in the Magistrates Court. When charged the Magistrates will take a number of factors into account when deciding whether they feel they can deal with it, they will take an early view of the evidence and decide whether they feel their sentencing powers (max 6 months) are sufficient should the defendant be convicted.

 

Even if the Magistrates accept jurisdiction the defendant can elect for the matter to be heard in the Crown Court (which is normally the route taken) as there is statistically more chance of an acquittal in the Crown Court and even if convicted (by jury or on a guilty plea) while Crown Court judges have much stronger sentencing powers it would be likely that they wouldn't be as harsh as the Magistrates would if given a chance.

 

If those found guilty are children how can they pay costs (now estimated at £100,000 I understand) ?

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If those found guilty are children how can they pay costs (now estimated at £100,000 I understand) ?

 

 

By selling all the new toys that youngster get these days and expensive designer clothes to boot.

 

However if they are manure/city fans, a public flogging is best at this age :grin:

 

Or brand them with OAFC somewhere where all can see

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If those found guilty are children how can they pay costs (now estimated at £100,000 I understand) ?

Even if they can't pay it all I think every little helps. Vietnamese sweatshops show the way. If it's a straightforward crime and punishment route, one of the positives I will take from the UAE is that there is simply no culture of theft or crime, even if a golden chance comes your way. I have heard numerous tales of people leaving wallets full of cash, cards etc and the taxi driver/bar staff or whoever going so far out of their way to get it back to the owner. It helps that most people here are honest anyway, but it also helps that a brush with the law can result in incarceration in a boling hellhole where your release date may as well be decided on a Dungeons and Dragons die.

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I'd like to issue a complaint about the way this thread has progressed. :ranting:

 

It started life as an amusing collection of ideas for suitable retribution to be shown by these two (alleged) reprobates but has since degenerated into a meaningless debate about the (assumed) process of English law. Come on lads, grow up and return to what you do best. :wink:

 

We didn't burn them!

 

:smoking:

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Make the parents re-mortgage their houses.

 

Whilst I don't want to stereotype. Can you remortage a rented house whilst claiming housing and council tax benefit, smoking roll-ups, drinking cheap lager and shagging all day in an attempt to push another one out to claim yet more benefits?

 

 

:ranting:

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Whilst I don't want to stereotype. Can you remortage a rented house whilst claiming council tax benefit, smoking roll-ups, drinking cheap lager and shagging all day in an attempt to push another one out to claim yet more benefits?

 

 

:ranting:

 

See what I mean lads - that's more like it - can always rely on the wit & humour of the Latics fans to brighten up a miserable grey day in Oldham. :lol:

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I suggest that the Labour supporting anti-Tory fool looks up who was in power when 3 of the 4 people (to my knowledge) to be given new identities were released.

 

I've heard some stuff about the case (since one of the people investigating it goes down my Dad's local) I doubt they will get off with a slap on the wrist but I think a good lawyer could do so.

 

How's about the jumped-up wannabe quack goes easy on the personal insults?

 

Alls I was saying is that given how the Tories are into their cut-price justice, the arsonists are likely to get off fairly lightly. Crime disproportionately affects the poor, about whom the Tories and Liberals do not give a toss. Okay?

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How's about the jumped-up wannabe quack goes easy on the personal insults?

 

Alls I was saying is that given how the Tories are into their cut-price justice, the arsonists are likely to get off fairly lightly. Crime disproportionately affects the poor, about whom no polititian gives a toss. Okay?

 

Fixed it for you!

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How's about the jumped-up wannabe quack goes easy on the personal insults?

 

Alls I was saying is that given how the Tories are into their cut-price justice, the arsonists are likely to get off fairly lightly. Crime disproportionately affects the poor, about whom the Tories and Liberals do not give a toss. Okay?

 

See there you go again, you didn't have to use this thread to spout your pro-Labour, faux-socialist, political points but you did. Only when someone who has actually looked up who got new identities (not for this thread I hasten to ask) points out the facts do you change your tune.

 

If you want to argue about how much Labour cared about the poor we can (I'll conveniently forget about the 2 wars they started, so you will win) but let's do it somewhere else

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