Lookers_Carl Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Whilst the point I am about to make actually in reality now wont matter given TTA are off as soon as possible, I will make it. If the Trust elected someone else to take over Barry's slot, TTA in my opinion wouldn't allow that new person access. Of that I have no doubt's. I believe that for a number of reasons however, had the change been made at the first time of asking then maybe things would have been different, but certainly not now. I think the Trust consitution is wrong in the system to elect the chairman, it should be a straight vote amongst it's member's and not the directors only. Thats a fair point, but I don't think anyone should be allowed to go straight from trust member to chairman. I think any director who wants to stand for chair needs to have served at the very least 12 months, or even a full term, as a director in order to become eligible, to demonstrate what they can bring to the table and in order to make sure they can actually bring something to the table rather than just being the 'hey everybody, look how loud I can shout, I can be a director' type Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 I didn't understand the Majority over Minority comment... If I wanted to talk to the majority of the Oldham Athleitc fans I would be heavily exploiting the power of the web. Combination of the Trust Site, OWTB, other online communities, email shots, Facebook and Twitter... These all seem to me the best way of keeping in daily / weekly and monthly contact with the largest number of people. Obviously there is a place for the usual in person meetings and events, comments in the press and such like but if you want to reach a wide audience then in my opinion the web is very much the place to be doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lookers_Carl Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 So there are up to 15 slots... 7 slots taken... So that leaves 8 available slots... Seems to me there is a lot of room there for people to make changes very quickly if they really want to rather than creating mickey mouse polls which people won't take seriously. Hence wherever this myth has come from that the Trust is a closed shop is beyond me. I could write an article for the trust site tomorrow and in the next matchday programme, and I will be surprised to say the least if we get a single response. Why? Pecause there are too many people who prefer to stand at the other side of the fence, point their finger and snipe (and to clarify, I am referring to those who could very easilly give up time and help out the Trust as opposed to those with families etc where time is a premium) rather than put their own necks on the line, give up their own time, and try and change from within, if they feel its so badly needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 (edited) Hence wherever this myth has come from that the Trust is a closed shop is beyond me. One chairman and fan on the board in seven years... The public face of the trust... and its beyond you why people think it is a close shop ? Really ? Its obvious to me why people think it is a closed shop even if it isn't... Also. it is only recently the Trusts own website had any information regarding their aims and constitutions and election processes. Edited November 16, 2010 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 I could write an article for the trust site tomorrow and in the next matchday programme, and I will be surprised to say the least if we get a single response. Why? Pecause there are too many people who prefer to stand at the other side of the fence, point their finger and snipe (and to clarify, I am referring to those who could very easilly give up time and help out the Trust as opposed to those with families etc where time is a premium) rather than put their own necks on the line, give up their own time, and try and change from within, if they feel its so badly needed. Fair point... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 I do not consider that I should give my own free time to "blog" on OWTB. Is the problem: 1) The time? 2) The blogging / communicating? 3) owtb? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Is the problem: 1) The time? 2) The blogging / communicating? 3) owtb? Personally, I saw it as once a month. And had no real problem it being from all the Trust, maybe take it in turns, or all compose it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 (edited) Personally, I saw it as once a month. And had no real problem it being from all the Trust, maybe take it in turns, or all compose it Yup, the key point was the call for more communication about what is going on within the club... We all accept some things need to be keep private from time to time. That isn't an excuse for such a low level of communication as we currently get (IMO). Edited November 16, 2010 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Heck C-Beck Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Regular communication from the Trust would also get it more noticed among the fans. Make it look like a more professional organisation, rather than bickering with fans on here. It would create genuine points to debate rather than slanging matches. If handled correctly it may also get rid of some of the apathy towards it, and get the fans back involved. I work in digital and I think the Trust could use its position close to OAFC to become an invaluable online OAFC resource if it wanted to and then they could use this position to engage with our fans and get people back involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Regular communication from the Trust would also get it more noticed among the fans. Make it look like a more professional organisation, rather than bickering with fans on here. It would create genuine points to debate rather than slanging matches. If handled correctly it may also get rid of some of the apathy towards it, and get the fans back involved. I work in digital and I think the Trust could use its position close to OAFC to become an invaluable online OAFC resource if it wanted to and then they could use this position to engage with our fans and get people back involved. Totally agree... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostofcecere Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Is the problem: 1) The time? 2) The blogging / communicating? 3) owtb? or more worryingly communicating with the people he's supposed to represent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddog Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 (edited) Hence wherever this myth has come from that the Trust is a closed shop is beyond me. I could write an article for the trust site tomorrow and in the next matchday programme, and I will be surprised to say the least if we get a single response. Why? Pecause there are too many people who prefer to stand at the other side of the fence, point their finger and snipe (and to clarify, I am referring to those who could very easilly give up time and help out the Trust as opposed to those with families etc where time is a premium) rather than put their own necks on the line, give up their own time, and try and change from within, if they feel its so badly needed. To me, it's a matter of chicken and egg. I have enough crap organisations in my life (I work for the NHS) to try and change from within. I do it all day every day, and can not do it in my personal time without heading straight for a nervous breakdown. I feel the Trust has lost its way (that is how it looks from the outside), so I have no desire to get involved. I doubt I'm the only one who feels that way. I can imagine the reason there are only 7 directors now is because of the feelings of hopelessness. Hopelessness is often caused by poor leadership. If the Trust appeared better run, and in better shape to the people looking in from the outside, I expect many more people would be willing to give up their time to get involved - but how does that happen without new people getting involved? Edited November 16, 2010 by maddog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 I have enough crap organisations in my life (I work for the NHS) to try and change from within. I do it all day every day, and can not do it in my personal time without heading straight for a nervous breakdown. The first slide on every team presentation my boss gives is this: God, grant me the serenity To accept the things I cannot change; Courage to change the things I can; And wisdom to know the difference. Or in other words, fight the battles you can win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 The first slide on every team presentation my boss gives is this: God, grant me the serenity To accept the things I cannot change; Courage to change the things I can; And wisdom to know the difference. Or in other words, fight the battles you can win. Likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirinclassic Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Just a quick question. There's lots of talk on here about personal circumstances (job/young kids, etc.) effectively ruling out a huge tranche of the supporter base from aspiring to become a director, or, heaven forbid, the chairman of the trust due to the time one has to invest. I'm just wondering how many hours on average the directors put in each week. Casting aside greetings, chitchat, supping tea/beer, watching the game, etc, how much actual time of decision-making/brainstorming/impementing and follow-up does it consume? Just curious. FWIW, my stab in the dark would be 203 minutes, 37 seconds but admittedly could be way off. (Go on, add your guesstimate - it's just like guessing how many beans are in the jar) ;) Winner gets to lead the trust!* All the best to all fellow fans, KC Oldham 'Till It Dies *This is a bit of lightheartedness masking a fairly serious question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Heck C-Beck Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Just a quick question. There's lots of talk on here about personal circumstances (job/young kids, etc.) effectively ruling out a huge tranche of the supporter base from aspiring to become a director, or, heaven forbid, the chairman of the trust due to the time one has to invest. I'm just wondering how many hours on average the directors put in each week. Casting aside greetings, chitchat, supping tea/beer, watching the game, etc, how much actual time of decision-making/brainstorming/impementing and follow-up does it consume? Just curious. FWIW, my stab in the dark would be 203 minutes, 37 seconds but admittedly could be way off. (Go on, add your guesstimate - it's just like guessing how many beans are in the jar) ;) Winner gets to lead the trust!* All the best to all fellow fans, KC Oldham 'Till It Dies *This is a bit of lightheartedness masking a fairly serious question. 6 hours 9 minutes and 45 seconds. You have highlighted again how little we actually know about what the Trust is doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 (edited) 6 hours 9 minutes and 45 seconds. You have highlighted again how little we actually know about what the Trust is doing. ..and more to the point Barrys role... It was once said by a former member that ONLY someone who could commit full time to the role could do it... While my own personal understanding of the fan on the board would only be required to attend board meetings and pass comment. Somewhere in between it seems the role got bigger while remaining unpaid ? But who knows because we don't get told what he does... Hence the biggest problem... How can you appreciate what Barry does if you don't know what he does... The idea of a blog is as much an opportunity for Barry to self promote as it is for him to tell us what is going on... Edited November 16, 2010 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 I think that at the time prompted the question whether the Trust representative on the club Board should necessarily be the Trust Chairman, as the time required to adequately fill both those roles is quite substantial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smartzatart Posted November 16, 2010 Author Share Posted November 16, 2010 To me, it's a matter of chicken and egg. I have enough crap organisations in my life (I work for the NHS) to try and change from within. I do it all day every day, and can not do it in my personal time without heading straight for a nervous breakdown. I feel the Trust has lost its way (that is how it looks from the outside), so I have no desire to get involved. I doubt I'm the only one who feels that way. I can imagine the reason there are only 7 directors now is because of the feelings of hopelessness. Hopelessness is often caused by poor leadership. If the Trust appeared better run, and in better shape to the people looking in from the outside, I expect many more people would be willing to give up their time to get involved - but how does that happen without new people getting involved? Couldn't have put it better if i were a ghost writer for a director of the club myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardlelatic Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 <!--quoteo(post=444356:date=Nov 16 2010, 12:55 PM:name=maddog)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (maddog @ Nov 16 2010, 12:55 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=444356"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->To me, it's a matter of chicken and egg. I have enough crap organisations in my life (I work for the NHS) to try and change from within. I do it all day every day, and can not do it in my personal time without heading straight for a nervous breakdown. I feel the Trust has lost its way (that is how it looks from the outside), so I have no desire to get involved. I doubt I'm the only one who feels that way. I can imagine the reason there are only 7 directors now is because of the feelings of hopelessness. Hopelessness is often caused by poor leadership. If the Trust appeared better run, and in better shape to the people looking in from the outside, I expect many more people would be willing to give up their time to get involved - but how does that happen without new people getting involved?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Couldn't have put it better if i were a ghost writer for a director of the club myself <img src="http://www.owtb.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> So you have experience of working within a multifacete group and know how to do things the right way !! Great news, if you know the right way to do things - Ill pick you up for meetings and maybe you can help change from the inside... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazlatic Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Barry Owen is a member of this forum, a fan of Oldham Athletic and, most importantly, a human being. Am I the only one who finds these personal attacks unpalatable? No I do too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardy Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 As much as i dont understand the trust, i thimk Barry needs to stay, he puts in the hours and has been said first and foremost he is a fan! And a dirty ex copper! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddog Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Why on earth has this thread been dragged up from 3 months ago rick? Do you want to remind people of the topic matter for some reason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonelylaticsfaninaus Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 I have met Barry and was blown away by his passion for the club. The club needs him, he should stay, end of! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meatpiesausageroll Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 As a long standing latics fan, the trust, and Barry is my voice. Whilst I do not always agree with everything he says, I respect the time energy, enthusiasm and obvious passion with which Barry conducts himself. I have personally dealt with numerous clubs, quorums and quangos and understand the frustrating nature of these dealings. WIth a football club such as ours the issues quite rightly will stir passions and whilst he may try to act in the interests of the many he will upset the rest. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. This role must feel like a poison chalice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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