rclegg Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 How poor is he as a defender? He really can't defend and whilst he's young he doesn't look like he's improved at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsLegend Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Wouldnt go as far as saying hes a poor defender, just a little raw and naive. What does concern me is how tired he gets after 50 odd mins for a 19 year old lad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Is he next in line for the speical treatment dished out to both Eardley and Taylor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 I hope not. He's only 19 and has played 28 games. He has time to develop but shouldn't be expected to be a commanding centre back yet, or it'll destroy him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Madine, who Wednesday paid as much for as we loose in a season was in his pocket until he was dragged off. Tarky is still young and is still learning the game, playing alongside Byrne who was never that quick will help. But I do think that the back four that started tonight is a bit too slow for this league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 I think the problem is as much his physical stature (which will improve with age) and even moreso the lack of understanding with Mvoto (which Mvoto needs to take equal responsibility for). He was left isolated like a rabbit in the headlights too often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rclegg Posted August 13, 2012 Author Share Posted August 13, 2012 Honestly I don't want to pick on anyone but I'm really bored of the excuse that their young so give them time. Technically he's OK but can't defend and what concerns me doesn't look like he will or the coaching staff can assist him. I really hope I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Honestly I don't want to pick on anyone but I'm really bored of the excuse that their young so give them time. Technically he's OK but can't defend and what concerns me doesn't look like he will or the coaching staff can assist him. I really hope I'm wrong. So in your job you don't learn from experience then. As the great Oscar Wilde once said "Experience is the name we give to our mistakes" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaskedOwl Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Madine, who Wednesday paid as much for as we loose in a season was in his pocket until he was dragged off. Tarky is still young and is still learning the game, playing alongside Byrne who was never that quick will help. But I do think that the back four that started tonight is a bit too slow for this league. Slow? i thought time had stopped at points during that second half tonight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 (edited) he got out muscled at times but it was the whole of the back 4 that looked troubled in that second half but....... if your manager cant see that the flow is coming from midfield and the wings constantly over and over and does nothing about it what can they do? Dave Jones changed their side and their problems stopped, we made a like for like and then removed a fullback which only assisted them more IMO Edited August 13, 2012 by palmer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc-latics Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 he's a good player, and will be a better one. but... compared to wednesday's attack of proven players in this league and the one above he stood no chance. at the end when he was covering RB+CB, he was beaten for pace for their fourth. if there was a RB covering aswell i doubt antonio would have got through. got shown up against a big, strong, fast team. most in L1 are one or two of those, not all three. he'll get better as the season goes on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Crying out for Connor Brown's pace at RB, Byrne at CB although he lost COG for 2-2, said I like Tarky but if he plays he will cost us goals most weeks that was a pisspoor effort for the 4th goal and he was :censored:e along with Cusak for the 3rd Played some great stuff but silly mistakes and a lack of a plan b cost us - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaskedOwl Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Crying out for Connor Brown's pace at RB, Byrne at CB although he lost COG for 2-2, said I like Tarky but if he plays he will cost us goals most weeks that was a pisspoor effort for the 4th goal and he was :censored:e along with Cusak for the 3rd Played some great stuff but silly mistakes and a lack of a plan b cost us - at least that may throw a few of Cisak's scent. garbage tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveoafc Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Is he next in line for the speical treatment dished out to both Eardley and Taylor Hope not, but fans should be able to pass comment without it being classed as a witchhunt. As long as fans don't get on his back in games, that does no good at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rclegg Posted August 13, 2012 Author Share Posted August 13, 2012 Learn from experience? That's exactly my point it's not fair to Tarkowski to keep putting him in the firing line without any improvement. For a 19 year old he's got a great attitude and commitment and I like and respect that. However, it's on the training ground and in the reserves he needs to learn not in games like tonight. I'm optimistic about the season even though I'm like most of us and scared after over 30 years as a season ticket holder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 at least that may throw a few of Cisak's scent. garbage tonight. Posted the same on twitter, we've had 3 offers/enquiries for him apparently. Fairly certain 1 was dead anyway, but after tonight the other 2 soon will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rclegg Posted August 13, 2012 Author Share Posted August 13, 2012 (edited) Hope not, but fans should be able to pass comment without it being classed as a witchhunt. As long as fans don't get on his back in games, that does no good at all. Totally agree never booed a player during a game and never will but....... we need to be honest especially with ourselves. Edited August 13, 2012 by rclegg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 he got out muscled at times but it was the whole of the back 4 that looked troubled in that second half Agree with this. I thought Tarky had a good first half and a poor second half, but he shouldn't be singled out as the rest of the back 5 was the same. I think he's been developing well over the past couple of years and one bad half against Championship opposition hasn't changed that opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Learn from experience? That's exactly my point it's not fair to Tarkowski to keep putting him in the firing line without any improvement. For a 19 year old he's got a great attitude and commitment and I like and respect that. However, it's on the training ground and in the reserves he needs to learn not in games like tonight. I'm optimistic about the season even though I'm like most of us and scared after over 30 years as a season ticket holder. Tarky has impressed the coaching staff in training though. Hence why he is one of our starting CBs. He is going to learn more by playing against O'Grady than most of our forward players, Slew possibly aside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4froale Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 (edited) Tarkowski is one for the future , as of yet he isn't ready. 3-4 signings minimum needed , how weak did our bench look. Edited August 13, 2012 by 4froale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stargazer Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 I thought Byrne was bought to be in the Gregan mould, vastly experienced at centre back . Then Brown would be full back & Tarks would be 3rd choice on the bench with less pressure .... but it appears not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpo Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 I thought Byrne was bought to be in the Gregan mould, vastly experienced at centre back . Then Brown would be full back & Tarks would be 3rd choice on the bench with less pressure .... but it appears not. I think we're going with Byrne at right back for the first 2 games because of the quality of opposition, to have a really solid back 4. And then we'll unleash the attack-minded Brown on Stevenage James Tarkowski @Tarky19 Disappointing result after a good first half. Not happy with some parts of my game, need to be worked on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveoafc Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 I think we're going with Byrne at right back for the first 2 games because of the quality of opposition, to have a really solid back 4. And then we'll unleash the attack-minded Brown on Stevenage James Tarkowski @Tarky19 Disappointing result after a good first half. Not happy with some parts of my game, need to be worked on. As long as he acknowledges his shortcomings then that's admirable, hope plenty of hard work pays off for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 (edited) I think we're going with Byrne at right back for the first 2 games because of the quality of opposition, to have a really solid back 4. And then we'll unleash the attack-minded Brown on Stevenage James Tarkowski @Tarky19 Disappointing result after a good first half. Not happy with some parts of my game, need to be worked on. I'm sure he doesn't, but Tarky shouldn't take the criticism to heart. Tarky's form dropped to the worst it's been towards the end of last season, yet Dickov seems not to have taken this as a sign that he's not the finished article yet, but as a sign that he should be our first-choice centre-back. Tarky seems to be bearing the brunt of criticism that really should be aimed at Dickov for realising he isn't ready to be first-choice. I'm actually wondering if letting Diamond go was the best decision in the world too... Edited August 13, 2012 by JoeP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 I'm not saying Tarky covered himself in glory tonight, although his challenge to get the ball back that led to M'Voto's goal was great. But he doesn't deserve a critical thread of his own when our goalkeeper was the one who brought them back into the game with a real howler. So that's one route into the Europa League closed. Let's concentrate on the league now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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