NewBlue Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 (edited) In the 91st minute they bring on a striker whose wage alone is higher than our whole squad for a striker who was 2nd top scorer in the SPL last season. We were poor tonight in comparison to our performance standards during the season and I think the tactics were questionable, but it's difficult to compete with a team with players like Griffiths and Sako, with other ex-Premier League players in their team and bench. Simply, they were just too good. We'll move on. Edited October 22, 2013 by NewBlue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latics_Fanatic Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Thank-You. You've proved that OWTB does have some sane members! This is a much more realistic conclusion to draw from the game than some have come to! Like i said on the other thread, there's no shame in losing to Wolves with those players. Onwards to Saturday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Walsall managed to go there and cope with their wage bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc21 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 So did Crawley,bar a injury time goal,totally played them off the park!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shefflatic Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 exactly - Sakho, Doyle and Griffiths aside the rest is as like all league 1 much of a muchness - we certainly didn't test them tonight. 2 up top with Sidney and Monty would have given us a better chance of a point rather than the 4-5-1 as that is clearly wht we set up to get which is really disappointing from LJ given he likes to attack teams with pace every game and try to win! Poor tonight and baffling to say the least as to what he was thinking changing tactics and personnel to the extent that he did....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeylandLatic Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 In the 91st minute they bring on a striker whose wage alone is higher than our whole squad for a striker who was 2nd top scorer in the SPL last season. We were poor tonight in comparison to our performance standards during the season and I think the tactics were questionable, but it's difficult to compete with a team with players like Griffiths and Sako, with other ex-Premier League players in their team and bench. Simply, they were just too good. We'll move on. Bollocks, they were there for the taking. 8-0 win, easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted October 23, 2013 Author Share Posted October 23, 2013 Walsall managed to go there and cope with their wage bill. That's no argument. We beat Liverpool last season, shocks happen. We had an average day today which wasn't good enough to beat a quality side. exactly - Sakho, Doyle and Griffiths aside the rest is as like all league 1 much of a muchness - we certainly didn't test them tonight. 2 up top with Sidney and Monty would have given us a better chance of a point rather than the 4-5-1 as that is clearly wht we set up to get which is really disappointing from LJ given he likes to attack teams with pace every game and try to win! Poor tonight and baffling to say the least as to what he was thinking changing tactics and personnel to the extent that he did....... On tactics, the 3 midfielders seemed to be containing them in the first half, but the 1 up front was useless really; defenders just bullied Philliskirk around. We had a couple of half chances late on but the tactics were clearly there to get clean sheet rather than score goals. You suggesting Sid and Monty would've given us a better chance is really based off nothing. Is Schmeltz better than Dayton? Definitely not. Playing another striker would've meant we couldn't have 3 in midfield, and when we actually had 2 strikers up front they didn't threaten whatsoever. Winchester seemed to be adopting the attacking midfield position quite often, perhaps Rooney up front with Philli behind him would've given us more attacking intent and kept a 3 in midfield, but it's all speculation. If you think we should've gone all-out attack on them today you're crazy. The idea LJ had was right, dominate midfield and get a goal on the break, but it didn't work. Shame, but as I said, we move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_ktf Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 That's no argument. We beat Liverpool last season, shocks happen. We had an average day today which wasn't good enough to beat a quality side. On tactics, the 3 midfielders seemed to be containing them in the first half, but the 1 up front was useless really; defenders just bullied Philliskirk around. We had a couple of half chances late on but the tactics were clearly there to get clean sheet rather than score goals. You suggesting Sid and Monty would've given us a better chance is really based off nothing. Is Schmeltz better than Dayton? Definitely not. Playing another striker would've meant we couldn't have 3 in midfield, and when we actually had 2 strikers up front they didn't threaten whatsoever. Winchester seemed to be adopting the attacking midfield position quite often, perhaps Rooney up front with Philli behind him would've given us more attacking intent and kept a 3 in midfield, but it's all speculation. If you think we should've gone all-out attack on them today you're crazy. The idea LJ had was right, dominate midfield and get a goal on the break, but it didn't work. Shame, but as I said, we move on. I think Dayton is more talented than Sid. But Sid puts in more of a performance. Dayton goes missing far to often. Sid at least trys- would rather watch that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc-latics Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 You can add Kenny Jackett to that list who knows this level inside out. It sounds like we had an off day and they used their experience to win the game. We'll probably go and beat Swindon on Saturday... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Don't Scare Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 We didn't even try and have a go. We more than matched them in the opening exchanges until the goal (which from where we were sat looked like another Oxley fumble albeit the cross shouldn't come in) We gave them far to much respect not trying to attack them and when we did using Montano who was poor. Losing to wolves is no big deal but it's the manner of the defeat as they weren't that good at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincoln Blue Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Last night was the first time this season that I didn't think we deserved something from a game. We more than matched them in the first half but once the first goal went in, it appeared to drain all self belief from the players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 We didn't even try and have a go. We more than matched them in the opening exchanges until the goal (which from where we were sat looked like another Oxley fumble albeit the cross shouldn't come in) We gave them far to much respect not trying to attack them and when we did using Montano who was poor. Losing to wolves is no big deal but it's the manner of the defeat as they weren't that good at all. Agreed with the exception that I thought Wolves looked pretty good. They'll win the league. We appeared to have little or no interest at getting at them whatsoever until we went behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4froale Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 for me LJ got it totally wrong last night, playing one up front is hard enough but when we have little creativity in the middle then it is even harder, Philliskirk was bullied by their big physical centre halfs last night, you'd think rooney or JCH would of fared a lot better. In the end though it cost us as we kept losing it In the final third and inviting pressure on ourselves, there was almost a sense of inevitably that the first goal would go in. ahh well in LJ we trust, roll on Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc_lover Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 They're in this league for a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) Last night was the first time this season that I didn't think we deserved something from a game. We more than matched them in the first half but once the first goal went in, it appeared to drain all self belief from the players. That's not acceptable, it should have given them more resolve, this is something in the make up of the side the manager needs to address. I understand from fans who went to the match the captain was hardly seen the 2nd half, that hardly sets an example, if he can't rally the team take the armband off him and give it to someone more vocal like Tarkowski. Edited October 23, 2013 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 That's not acceptable, it should have given them more resolve, this is something in the make up of the side the manager needs to address. Yeah, Johnson! Just flick that switch, dammit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Maybe teamsheets should have each players wage aswell as their number nowadays just so we're clear whether we're entitled to try and win the game or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Yeah, Johnson! Just flick that switch, dammit! If his players heads go down after conceding a goal its up to him to motivate them or find players with stronger characters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latics_Fanatic Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 If his players heads go down after conceding a goal its up to him to motivate them or find players with stronger characters. Not much you can do standing on the sideline in the pissing rain. As much as he probably does tell them not to let their heads drop, it almost certainly does! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted October 23, 2013 Author Share Posted October 23, 2013 Of course Wolves are in this league for a reason, but the reason they'll be promoted is that they can consistently play at a level above the opposition led by an experienced manager who knows the league. Hence, they probably won't reach their top level for 90% of the season, but that's still enough. When I reflect on it, the tactics were CORRECT, the personnel to use those tactics were WRONG. His idea, though negative, was probably the only way we would deal with them. The point against Johnson being that he had players at his disposal who could've made the second half a tighter battle. Them being an out-and-out striker, with a more attacking midfielder behind him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 So we went for a draw and failed. On to Saturday then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Isn't a lot of this a backhanded compliment to LJ? We think he's put a team together, and we've previously seen us play in a manner, that could have beat these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy_Fent Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Wolves were clearly a technically a better side than us, you could tell because their players required less touches of the ball and every pass met its intended target. That said they didn't really cause us any problems until towards the end of the 1st half. The way we set out, there was no intended target when we did get the ball, it was a case of "let's get it as far away from our goal as possible". I think to most fans it stank of a defeatist attitude which we ployed a lot under Dave Penney. We don't want to go back to that, what made our club great under Joe Royle was the fearless nature we went about things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c.hill12 Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Why not use the tactics that were impressive twice away at pne? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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