Boys in Blue Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Just wondering why people get so upset about fees not being in the public domain? If I was buying a car, I wouldn't want the guy who I was buying it off knowing how much cash I had while we were negotiating. Just wondering why people feel the club should publish details? Is it a lack of trust of Corney or just curiosity? Genuine question. It strikes me that publishing the fees weakens our hand in negotiations & gives away how much (or little) a club with 3500 at home games would accept for its best players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross2509 Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 And what people are forgetting here is that although undisclosed fee does include the original up - front fee, it also involves the add - ons. Many "Undisclosed Fees" are deals that involve an up front - fee and then a number of add ons, there are many reasons to not disclose a fee to the public domain but one of the main reasons being the add-ons that were included, that's what i suspect has happened with the Tarkowski deal, an up-front fee then a number of adds-on for within the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forte_Baby Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Another point people forget quite alot of so called big fees get paid instalments which is good but then look at Pompey being an example money they owed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangerinedreams Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Have you seen the list of undisclosed transfer fees, there isn't many that have been disclosed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
away dayz Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 It's always only a matter of time before the fee is generally known by most anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolatic Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Have you seen the list of undisclosed transfer fees, there isn't many that have been disclosed! Eggsackerly. We're no different to 90% of clubs (apart from those paying zillions of pounds), so why should we be the privileged ones honoured with all the facts? I'm a customer at my local Sainsbury's in the same way I'm a customer of Latics. So how's this for a (weakish) analogy? I pay my money in return for a service and, when I've paid 50 quid for a dollop of shopping, I don't beat on the store manager's door demanding to know what he's bought the stuff in for. I don't ask to see his accounts and I don't want to know what his staff earn. Why? Because it's nowt to do with me. I pay my money at the turnstiles at BP, Ashton Gate, Griffin Park, wherever, for a service I receive in return, ie a football match. I don't ask to see the ins and outs of the clubs finances. Why? Because it's none of my business in the same way it's none of my business at Sainsbury's. Honest to God, I cannot get my head round why supporters of a football club expect, even demand, to know how much we received or spent on a player. We don't have a right to know. Tell you what. next time you hop on the 409 or the 182, ask the driver how much he earns to see if it correlates with the fare you're paying. *Steps back and waits for , closely followed by all the reasons why we are entitled to know the far end of a cat's arse's uncle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythemostimportantkick Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 It's only a matter of time before someone randomly makes up an amount (probably the postman) and some gullibles take it in and swear by it. So many people just believed the 150k reported in brentfords local , maybe it was maybe it wasn't , we just have to trust the club got the best deal they could and why people think they would do any less I have no clue . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Eggsackerly. We're no different to 90% of clubs (apart from those paying zillions of pounds), so why should we be the privileged ones honoured with all the facts? I'm a customer at my local Sainsbury's in the same way I'm a customer of Latics. So how's this for a (weakish) analogy? I pay my money in return for a service and, when I've paid 50 quid for a dollop of shopping, I don't beat on the store manager's door demanding to know what he's bought the stuff in for. I don't ask to see his accounts and I don't want to know what his staff earn. Why? Because it's nowt to do with me. I pay my money at the turnstiles at BP, Ashton Gate, Griffin Park, wherever, for a service I receive in return, ie a football match. I don't ask to see the ins and outs of the clubs finances. Why? Because it's none of my business in the same way it's none of my business at Sainsbury's. Honest to God, I cannot get my head round why supporters of a football club expect, even demand, to know how much we received or spent on a player. We don't have a right to know. Tell you what. next time you hop on the 409 or the 182, ask the driver how much he earns to see if it correlates with the fare you're paying. *Steps back and waits for , closely followed by all the reasons why we are entitled to know the far end of a cat's arse's uncle. Whilst I don't disagree with your points or opinion, by the same token Sainsbury's don't constantly ask you to dig deep throwing cash into their buckets when the stores gone tits up. Or explain that this week they haven't got your favourite soup in because they are a failing third tier store with falling foot fall. Most stores just shut down, we miss them and move on to the next, Football clubs are slightly different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 If he had been sold for 1 mill plus would it have been kept undisclosed? Of course not, they would have been crowing about showing ambition and Corney/Barry would be telling anyone who would listen about what a great deal they got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInAus Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Analogy is deeply flawed . We are not asking what Tarky's wage was, we are asking how much a company sold an asset for. Do you think this doesn't get reported to shareholders and the market when Sainsburys sell an asset? It is my understanding that a fans group owns a minority shareholding in the company, hence this information must be made freely available to these shareholders. Whether these shareholders then pass on this information is a different story. The club need to lodge accounts though and these are available for a small fee to anyone. It is very relevant to people like me that the money I put into the club isn't being pissed away. You cannot expect fans to be happy "donating" money to the club because the club cries poor, but then remain silent when an asset is sold for a potentially small amount for no good reason. We are not a prem club. If the club wants my money in future, then these things need to be disclosed. I will be emailing the club about this too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I pay my money at the turnstiles at BP, Ashton Gate, Griffin Park, wherever, for a service I receive in return, ie a football match. I don't ask to see the ins and outs of the clubs finances. Why? Because it's none of my business in the same way it's none of my business at Sainsbury's. Erm these you mean: http://www.j-sainsbury.co.uk/about-us/financial-performance/annual-reports/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisbrogan Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) If he had been sold for 1 mill plus would it have been kept undisclosed? Of course not, they would have been crowing about showing ambition and Corney/Barry would be telling anyone who would listen about what a great deal they got. Would Brentford have wanted to disclose it? Also, if other clubs know that we have recently had the coffers swelled by £1m, it would change their position when trying to strike other deals not to mention that of players negotiating contracts in the summer. This article from a while back highlights that there can be many reasons, from both parties as to why the fee isn't always revealed : http://bleacherreport.com/articles/46453-revealed-why-clubs-leave-transfer-fees-undisclosed Edited February 4, 2014 by Twisbrogan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeroyboy Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Whilst I don't disagree with your points or opinion, by the same token Sainsbury's don't constantly ask you to dig deep throwing cash into their buckets when the stores gone tits up. Or explain that this week they haven't got your favourite soup in because they are a failing third tier store with falling foot fall. Most stores just shut down, we miss them and move on to the next, Football clubs are slightly different. There would be nobody to shake a bucket at by that point. They would all be it Aldi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) Personally feel this mass new fad for the 'undisclosed' that's becoming wide scale is probably more to with FFP and hiding :censored:e!! Years ago you never hardly got undisclosed. Edited February 4, 2014 by Lags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) If he had been sold for 1 mill plus would it have been kept undisclosed? Of course not, they would have been crowing about showing ambition and Corney/Barry would be telling anyone who would listen about what a great deal they got. Actually that's not true, as Brentford could say we don't want other teams to know how much we paid, so we'd like the amount to be undisclosed and we'd have to agree. The amount will eventually come out, like how it came out that whilst we sold Jose for less than the buy-out clause in his contract we could end up with a bit more than that. Edited February 4, 2014 by rudemedic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyGortonsMatches Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 ...to prevent us doing the maths and asking pertinent questions on where exactly the money goes. We all knew generally how much went 'missing' back in the early 90's as fees were published. Or bending the rules to get round FFP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Actually that's not true, as Brentford could say we don't want other teams to know how much we paid, so we'd like the amount to be undisclosed and we'd have to agree. The amount will eventually come out, like how it came out that whilst we sold Jose for less than the buy-out clause in his contract we could end up with a bit more than that. Yes, equally though there are clubs who are happy to disclose (Peterborough spring to mind) the fee as it gives them that perception of 'ambition'. Let's be honest, given the money they are throwing around Brentford wouldn't be bothered if the fee is known or not, different matter for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Let's be honest, given the money they are throwing around Brentford wouldn't be bothered if the fee is known or not, different matter for us. Can't find evidence to back that up Deyres, but happy to look at it. here's something that points the other direction, I can't believe that Arsenal were shy of announcing the fee . 27 January 2014Last updated at 12:29 Share Facebook Twitter print Transfer window: Brentford sign Arsenal's Nico Yennaris Brentford have completed the signing of Arsenal midfielder Nico Yennaris for an undisclosed fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Don't Scare Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I remember seeing the paltry amount we got for Eardley its no wonder it's undisclosed. It's just nice to see it when it causes a sensation £500k for Trotman for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mart1973 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I've been told that it's the buying club who has the final say on whether the transfer fees are undisclosed, or not. Although, as mentioned in the 'Bleacher report' link in one of the above posts, it can be beneficial to both clubs to keep it hush hush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 To follow on from an idea on another thread, could the club run a "pay what you want" game but market it as an "undisclosed fee" game with a knowing wink to supporters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 To follow on from an idea on another thread, could the club run a "pay what you want" game but market it as an "undisclosed fee" game with a knowing wink to supporters? Far too many would pay a pound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimeblue Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Far too many would pay a pound. Less if they collected on the way out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Perhaps in future all playershare donations will be 'undisclosed' ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Perhaps in future all playershare donations will be 'undisclosed' ? Currently playershare is awaiting our next player to help aid into the club. We still have the pro rota Eddie monies to hand. The committee is to have a meeting very shortly. Anyone want to add something? money or suggestions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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