Tommy_Fent Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I know it's a different skill level to League One but I think the team's that adopted a cautious approach during the last World Cup were the sides which really struggled. I'm not saying we should go out and sign James Rodriguez. But I do believe we should be gambling a lot more in the final third. On many occasions last season we dominated games outside both penalty areas, but lost games inside them. We've corrected one part of that problem with a solid defence. But unless we have players capable of putting the ball in the back of the net, we're no better than what we were under Dave Penney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I know it's a different skill level to League One but I think the team's that adopted a cautious approach during the last World Cup were the sides which really struggled. Finalists Argentina for example? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunty Blue Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I think the style is more or less spot on for away games, but I'd like to think we could be a tad more adventurous at home. My only observation is that there doesn't appear to be a 'plan b' should we need it. Perhaps LJ wIll develop his tactical awareness and in-game management this season. If he can make a tweak to change games or try to, then we won't be far short of a pretty decent team capable of a top ten finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Mikey Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Finalists Argentina for example? Let's buy Messi then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy_Fent Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Finalists Argentina for example? They were nowhere near as cautious as England, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Switzerland, Russia or South Korea. They just had Higuain and Di Maria firing blanks in most matches Also in the Premiership last season we had sides like Norwich and Fulham being punished for being too negative. Tikka-takka is on it's way out as the successful sides now look to play counter attacking and having forward players gambling on the last man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Bradford was You know, I didnt think it was. I enjoyed the 'day' but not actually the game... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 You know, I didnt think it was. I enjoyed the 'day' but not actually the game... I was steaming and thought it was ace. We're probably both right, or wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 (edited) The Bradford game is how LJ sees us playing week in week out. JCH needs to be as clinical as he was that day or it won't work. Edited July 20, 2014 by opinions4u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share Posted July 20, 2014 People getting carried away with the last 10 games I went to all of them and we played some piss poor teams, teams whose seasons where over, our home form during that run had us about 16th in the form table 7 points from 5 games and 3 goals isnt pushing for playoffs form however you want to dress it up. The squad is poor far poorer than last seasons how anyone can see it different I dont know the players brought in are inferior to whats gone and we are so weak up front its laughable, looking at the trialists shows you the trouble we are in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Eh? I went today. Stand looked great. Brown, Kelly, an Dayton played well. I'd like us to be much more attacking at home, an finish top half. I don't think we will sadly. Does that mean we're :censored:ed? Er, no. Think you an others like pigeon holeing people. Or moaning about perceived moaning. It's message board. Why does anyone have to have an agenda, instead of just an opinion. Chris, In no way did I mean to denigrate your post, I just happened to post after you. If all the posts were of a similar objective view then OWTB would be a more interesting forum. I did say some. Some. Not all. Yours was the exact opposite of posts I was referring to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Let's buy Messi then. nah not good enough defenders at this level would have him in there pocket ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 They were nowhere near as cautious as England, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Switzerland, Russia or South Korea. They just had Higuain and Di Maria firing blanks in most matches Also in the Premiership last season we had sides like Norwich and Fulham being punished for being too negative. Tikka-takka is on it's way out as the successful sides now look to play counter attacking and having forward players gambling on the last man We have 3 strikers who gamble off the last man, Philliskirk, Turner and Bove, but LJ prefers them on the wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share Posted July 20, 2014 We have 3 strikers who gamble off the last man, Philliskirk, Turner and Bove, but LJ prefers them on the wing. Not content with nulling phillys ability he is about to ruin two more promising front men by asking them to do jobs they cant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Not content with nulling phillys ability he is about to ruin two more promising front men by asking them to do jobs they cant. Seen Bove and Turner play much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share Posted July 20, 2014 More than most on here yes, have you ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 More than most on here yes, have you ? Not seen them at all so wouldn't want to be making sweeping finite judgements on them, nobody can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share Posted July 20, 2014 Not seen them at all so wouldn't want to be making sweeping finite judgements on them, nobody can. see Bove at least a dozen times and watched most of Turners runouts in the reserves can I not make a judgement, tell you one thing neither can play in the hole or on the flanks, both rely on pace, have good feet and an eye for goal, very similar qualities and players who play off the last man, for what its worth think Bove isnt upto it yet but thats just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisbrogan Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 tell you one thing neither can play in the hole or on the flanks, Pretty sure that Turner had a good proportion of his appearances for Stockport out on the wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 And that pretty much sums up where i am at. I saw all of the last 10 games of last season, and i didnt enjoy any of them, from an entertaining football POV. I appreciated that the tactics and thus the results they got saw us safe, but feck me - it wasn't good to watch. I hoped LJ would have used it as a basis to build on, not to merely continue with it as was. Have to say, i'm not looking forward to my ST if home games turn out to be as they were last season; and from this pre-season to date, it does look like all the idications are that it will be... Years ago, i wouldnt care how the 3 points came about, it was just about the points. But, when you now have so many other things to spend your money on; i want to feel i'm getting value for money from my ST. I want to see decent football, and i do want to be entertained as well as seeing the side claim points. A season of grinding out draws at home, low scoring games and dull & uninspiring football doesnt appeal; and i dontthink there is anything wrong in expressing these concerns. I want to watch decent, attacking & exciting football from us. We showed it can be done; but it seems to gone in favour of draw specialists tactics. We'll struggle to combine entertaining football with results, while we have the resources we do. As Corney says, the Sports Direct deal should give us more leverage in the competitive ladder in this division, but we're far from one of the big-hitters. So...we have to decide what we want? Results or attractive football? There's a lot of unnecessary panicking about the prospects for this season, anyway. We chose not to overpay for Wes as we wanted a different style of play in midfield. This suggests to me LJ wants us to be more attacking as, while Wes was good at what he did, he was very defensive. Pre-season also means feck all so the last drawn game and win Premiership Newcastle mean very little. Off the top of my head, I think we generally start the season off best when we’ve been poor pre-season and vice versa. Personally I’m fed up of us “trying to do things the right way “ (A popular quote by Dickov after we’d just been beaten yet again..) and would rather us be solid, hard to beat and get results. We can be fancy when we get extra cash or get promoted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Pretty sure that Turner had a good proportion of his appearances for Stockport out on the wing. Played most of his games out wide right for them didnt he? Most of the goals on his youtube highlights from his time at County had him running in from the right hand channel... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share Posted July 20, 2014 Pretty sure that Turner had a good proportion of his appearances for Stockport out on the wing. Not true Stockport played two upfront Turner played a lot as a pair with Phil Jevons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 We'll struggle to combine entertaining football with results, while we have the resources we do. As Corney says, the Sports Direct deal should give us more leverage in the competitive ladder in this division, but we're far from one of the big-hitters. So...we have to decide what we want? Results or attractive football? There's a lot of unnecessary panicking about the prospects for this season, anyway. We chose not to overpay for Wes as we wanted a different style of play in midfield. This suggests to me LJ wants us to be more attacking as, while Wes was good at what he did, he was very defensive. Pre-season also means feck all so the last drawn game and win Premiership Newcastle mean very little. Off the top of my head, I think we generally start the season off best when weve been poor pre-season and vice versa. Personally Im fed up of us trying to do things the right way (A popular quote by Dickov after wed just been beaten yet again..) and would rather us be solid, hard to beat and get results. We can be fancy when we get extra cash or get promoted. Maybe i'm being greedy Joe; but i want us to get points whilst playing decent, attacking and attractive football. We have limited resources, of course we do. But even with the players already here, we could play to tactics that would see the best from (for this level) pretty decent ball players like Philliskirk, Winchester and ones who are supposedly talented footballers like Kelly, Jones et all. Surely there can be a balance found? We dont have to be set up so rigidly, defensive and tight to still get results in this division IMO. But, as you rightly say, it's early days of this term; we're not even out of pre-season. I'll certainly reserve judgement until well into the season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Not true Stockport played two upfront Turner played a lot as a pair with Phil Jevons. Not saying he didnt ever play upfront, but the County fan at work said when we signed him that due to injuries; he'd been played at right wing for a fair chunk of his games and done pretty well in that role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 see Bove at least a dozen times and watched most of Turners runouts in the reserves can I not make a judgement, tell you one thing neither can play in the hole or on the flanks, both rely on pace, have good feet and an eye for goal, very similar qualities and players who play off the last man, for what its worth think Bove isnt upto it yet but thats just my opinion. Reserve and youth football bears no relevance to the seniors, isn't worth a carrot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share Posted July 20, 2014 Reserve and youth football bears no relevance to the seniors, isn't worth a carrot. It bears no relevance - dear me ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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