opinions4u Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Perhaps mountaineering, climbing, abseiling, archery, orienteering weren't for him. I could understand his point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshgaz Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 I'd hazard a complete guess that we offered him 1500 notes a week. As he's not joining I expect a proven marksman to join. Otherwise I'm unlikely to receive value for my season ticket yet again. I can only dream!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 He was probably thinking what the :censored: am I doing here while Bury are in Tenerife... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oafc1895 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Or has he done something to upset LJ/staff/squad which means signing him would cause a detrimental effect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 He was probably thinking what the :censored: am I doing here while Bury are in Tenerife... I'm not sure if your post is tongue in cheek, but I have heard that it's very possible he will be joining Bury... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted July 25, 2014 Author Share Posted July 25, 2014 I could understand his point. Cant imagine Llera or Gary Harkins abseiling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Or has he done something to upset LJ/staff/squad which means signing him would cause a detrimental effect? Smoking the reef a la Sidney Schmeltz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 I just think a contract offer in principal should be agreed beforehand... What's the point in trialing a player if you can't afford to sign him?An agreement in principal means :censored: all though, especially if someone comes along and makes a better offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 It would have been nice to have been given a reason as to why it was withdrawn - most likely that Llera indicated he was not going to sign tomorrow so at least we can use the money elsewhere.I suspect the end of this week had been set as a deadline for his response to the contract offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted July 25, 2014 Author Share Posted July 25, 2014 An agreement in principal means :censored: all though, especially if someone comes along and makes a better offer. Could be he realised he wouldn't be first choice with Kusunga and Wilson looking such a good partnership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Could be he realised he wouldn't be first choice with Kusunga and Wilson looking such a good partnership. I reckon Llera would have been confident about getting in the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddog Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 I reckon Llera would have been confident about getting in the team. Or it was a stipulation that if fit he started was in his contract, and the club wouldn't meet that (having allegedly been done over by that when Kuqi went cack)? We have a good defence. This isn't a big loss at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshgaz Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 (edited) Or it was a stipulation that if fit he started was in his contract, and the club wouldn't meet that (having allegedly been done over by that when Kuqi went cack)? We have a good defence. This isn't a big loss at all. agreed. Money better spent elsewhere. Edited July 25, 2014 by welshgaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_ktf Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Or it was a stipulation that if fit he started was in his contract, and the club wouldn't meet that (having allegedly been done over by that when Kuqi went cack)? We have a good defence. This isn't a big loss at all. Would make a lot of sense why kuqi was continually played despite being gargabe towards the end. On the other hand I would be genuinely gob smacked if that was in his deal. Surely not??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjk2008 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 An agreement in principal means :censored: all though, especially if someone comes along and makes a better offer. There is that, of course. However the point is correct in that there should be no room for negotiation after a trial. It makes sense to agree demands etc before the trial takes place, and if the trial is successful and both parties are happy then we're a go. If not, there's no thinking time or negotiations required - everyone knows where they're at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjk2008 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Would make a lot of sense why kuqi was continually played despite being gargabe towards the end. On the other hand I would be genuinely gob smacked if that was in his deal. Surely not??? Don't be surprised. That is a well known stipulation in many contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Perhaps he didn't like not being able to pull an Ian (Thomas-) Moore by being banned from using his mobile. The most logical answer of it being a financial based decision may not necessary be the right one, but it does seem very likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 If we couldn't meet his demands or have failed to reach a satisfactory agreement then why not just say so.......saying the offer has been withdrawn just opens up a can of worms. We are good at clouding the issue and seem to do it fairly regularly.....why not just give the reasons why and then move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 If we couldn't meet his demands or have failed to reach a satisfactory agreement then why not just say so.......saying the offer has been withdrawn just opens up a can of worms. We are good at clouding the issue and seem to do it fairly regularly.....why not just give the reasons why and then move on. Perhaps because even when they are honest, someone with a source pops up on here or social media saying that the club lied and X, Y, Z are the true reasons behind a decision? The club can't win and the level of honesty expected by some fans from the club is a bit more than the level of honesty they would expect any other business to provide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 It may well be as simple as an agent trying to draw us into a bidding war (wage and length of contract) for his services and us not wanting to get dragged in. He looked a cracking player to me. But we are well catered at centre back for with Kusunga, Wilson and Lockwood. Hopefully it means we've got a wage free for a decent striker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpmarko Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 There is that, of course. However the point is correct in that there should be no room for negotiation after a trial. It makes sense to agree demands etc before the trial takes place, and if the trial is successful and both parties are happy then we're a go. If not, there's no thinking time or negotiations required - everyone knows where they're at. But that's not how it happens in the rest of the business world. Normally you apply for a job knowing the salary (or range) and possibly some of the benefits. You do your one or two interviews, and only then (usually when you sit down with the big boss) do you agree the nitty-gritty of the money side. And that negotiation can often make or break the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfatjoe1 Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Most people who apply for a job are aware of the terms and conditions before they send the application form let alone have an interview or a trial. This is about employment not a business transaction. There is no transfer involved. It is totally stupid and a waste of time to not agree terms before the trial. Common sense should prevail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddog Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Whose time is it a waste of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjk2008 Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Whose time is it a waste of? Ours *if* Llera wanted more money than we were prepared to offer given we're already stocked at centre half. *obviously it could be down to other reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjk2008 Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 But that's not how it happens in the rest of the business world. Normally you apply for a job knowing the salary (or range) and possibly some of the benefits. You do your one or two interviews, and only then (usually when you sit down with the big boss) do you agree the nitty-gritty of the money side. And that negotiation can often make or break the deal. The last 4 jobs I've had I've known the vitals before doing all the interviewing etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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