Break The Silence Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 If he wants to remain as a full time Director on the Board without consulting with the Fans then he should resign as Chairman of the Trust but ask Corney if he can stay on the Board! Just a bit. That's exactly what he's been doing anyway so he might as well go the whole hog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I think most fans believed the role was about representing the fans as well as making sure due diligence was carried out. The Club also seems to believe he represents the fans: "Owen, who is the fans representative on the board,..." http://www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/news/article/20140331-barry-owen-interview-1458341.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) It sounds almost like there was a lack of trust? You would imagined as the idea of signing a convicted rapist, something that is possibly going to bring the club to its knees. The Trust Chairman, fan on the board, FANS REPRESENTATIVE (I ain't accepting that shouldn't be his role), would of gone to his fellow directors to gauge reaction and opinion, working out how the TRUST should respond to an idea of such magnitude, then he should of returned to the board with his / their considered view point. If that can't / didn't happen... It isn't right... Its just all wrong... What is the point of the Trust if it can't do that... If there isn't the Trust to do that... Edited January 8, 2015 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 The Club also seems to believe he represents the fans: "Owen, who is the fans representative on the board,..." http://www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/news/article/20140331-barry-owen-interview-1458341.aspx The media, club and fans all refer to him as that. Its the first time I have head someone from the trust challenge the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c.hill12 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 It's how it's been worded from the start. I'm not saying he doesn't represent the fans. Of course he does. He's on the board of directors communicating trust decisions etc which are a result of fans' feedback. Jenny warburton is actually the 'fans' rep' though. The person you should go with if you have any issues or problems. I agree what your saying about his role but it it's the wording that sometimes muddies things slightly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawsonness Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I would find it useful is someone could point me towards where the Trust constitution and minutes are located on the site. Is the Trust a registered company or indeed a registered charity. I am happy to assist as best as I can but given I live at the other end of the country I.e. Scotland won't be able to attend in person. If there is to be further group discussions would be good to explore ways for those of us not in the town to be engaged. Hope that the team can now focus on what is their day job and redress the balance with Doncaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simoncorneyisgod Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 If Barry isn't the fans rep on the board as Chris has eluded to.....how the hell did he get on the board? This isn't about the Trust Committee for me as I don't know them or have enough understanding of what they do to form an opinion Having read far too many posts tonight than is healthy, Lags you do come across as if you want people to come and help the trust but fail spectacularly.......I can understand you may feel some of the posts are a personal attack on you (as I presume you are part of the trust committee) but I think the majority of contributors (not all) are just wanting the trust to work. This is all about one man and one man alone for me and I have been able to form an opinion through my own experience. He has got to big for his boots, clearly has his own agenda which is to the detriment of the club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c.hill12 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Hi lawsonness. We open twitter up to engage with exiles but if you would like to 'be at' an upcoming meeting i could try and get a skype link going or similar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 It's how it's been worded from the start. I'm not saying he doesn't represent the fans. Of course he does. He's on the board of directors communicating trust decisions etc which are a result of fans' feedback. Jenny warburton is actually the 'fans' rep' though. The person you should go with if you have any issues or problems. I agree what your saying about his role but it it's the wording that sometimes muddies things slightly. You just contradicted yourself. I am none the wiser sorry. Is he or is he not there to represent the fans opinions ? Your suggestion to go to Jenny Warbuton is like my union rep telling me to speak to HR on my own to be frank... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 It's how it's been worded from the start. Can you show me said wording ? News to me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 It's how it's been worded from the start. I'm not saying he doesn't represent the fans. Of course he does. He's on the board of directors communicating trust decisions etc which are a result of fans' feedback. Jenny warburton is actually the 'fans' rep' though. The person you should go with if you have any issues or problems. I agree what your saying about his role but it it's the wording that sometimes muddies things slightly. Jenny's 'other job' is Supporter Liaison Officer, rather than 'Fans' Representative', and the Club has a Customer Service Charter, explaining who to contact if not satisfied with the Club's response or lack of response. http://www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/fans/customer-charter/ . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) I'm kind of hoping that isn't a typo...Nooooooo leave it.....let him have the illusion I'm exciting until disjointed kills it. I'll take any compliment I can get at my age and has bloody well made my day too...yeah. However, after seeing just a glimpse of the role as it is, I can't commit to the hours as I have a full time job. Edited January 8, 2015 by underdog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawsonness Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Thanks Chris. WIll stay in touch and see how things develop and we can take it from there. Maybe Sky can broadcast live or we can get it covered at the leaders debates ahead of the election. Will we be mentioned on question time tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Jenny's 'other job' is Supporter Liaison Officer, rather than 'Fans' Representative', and the Club has a Customer Service Charter, explaining who to contact if not satisfied with the Club's response or lack of response. http://www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/fans/customer-charter/ . That is very much a far cry from Fans Repersentive... Oh dear... The Trust doesn't know itself the current state of play. It needs levelling and rebuilding to be frank. New constitution, everything... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Nooooooo leave it.....let him have the illusion I'm exciting until disjointed kills it. I'll take any compliment I can get at my age and has bloody well made my day too...yeah. However, after seeing just a glimpse of the role as it is, I can commit to the hours as I have a full time job. Did you mean can't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavageTheBeast Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Opened a can of worms here for you chris sorry pal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Did you mean can't? Yep, just corrected it....swine heheh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simoncorneyisgod Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 That is very much a far cry from Fans Repersentive... Oh dear... The Trust doesn't know itself the current state of play. It needs levelling and rebuilding to be frank. New constitution, everything... In all seriousness you should give it a go........come up with a new structure that would allow the trust to run without the need for a number of people to give there lives up for it! Whilst I know it can't be easy it can be done...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddy_Ender Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 That is very much a far cry from Fans Repersentive... Oh dear... The Trust doesn't know itself the current state of play. It needs levelling and rebuilding to be frank. New constitution, everything... Agree 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I'm not having that Barry is not the fans' representative on the board. I don't care what the label is - it's been clear for years it's what he is supposed to be for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pukka Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) I'm not having that Barry is not the fans' representative on the board. I don't care what the label is - it's been clear for years it's what he is supposed to be for. Exactly. If he isnt, what is he? Edited January 8, 2015 by pukka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawsonness Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Sounds like it's time to understand who does what is roles and responsibilities, sounds horribly like work Trust Constitution roles and responsibilities for Trust Officers eg who does what, lines of communication and engagement As OAFC is a limited company and we have a place on board we should have access to minutes etc including votes etc..... Am I missing something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I am sorry but I think the idea of disbanding the Trust is ridiculous-legal documents and agreements are in place that will take many many hours to re-do again. The way that I see it ST holders are definately members of the Trust free of charge. Non ST holders can pay £5 to become a member of the trust-with voting rights?????? The members appoint a Board of Directors in number from say 6 to 12. Either the Board or the Members appoint a Chairman-I believe the members but I can be corrected_C Hill Tracey Lags?????? The Chairman has to be accepted onto the Board of OA(2014)AFC Ltd and invited to Board meetings Just because 1 buffoon has now moved away from representing the Fans to become a fulltime Board member taking upon himself all that that entails does not make the position a 40 hours per week duty that is only suitable for retired people. The JOB is to represent the Fans and put across their opinions or to go and find out their opinions and then come back and report it. Do not think that it will be an easy job to completely form a new body with no shares and no entitlements! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c.hill12 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I agree. The trust needs a re-think, majorly. Which is the reason i offer to join the board and offer my time. The change is happening, but slowly. We will have a new strategic plan by the next meeting next week. We have limited numbers but loads of work to be done. And my apologies if i muddied the waters slightly. I was only co-opted in may so still getting to grips with things. In the last meeting i did ask all the directors to write down their roles within the trust and what we saw as their duties. When i have them i will publish them accordingly. Not only will this tell us what everyone is doing, it will show us what skills we are lacking as a trust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 In all seriousness you should give it a go........come up with a new structure that would allow the trust to run without the need for a number of people to give there lives up for it! Whilst I know it can't be easy it can be done...... Ready and willing to contribute... I have already put a lot of thoughts into words over the years... Not saying I would stand by every idea I have ever posted but I did do quite a detailed thread on trust reforms that should take place. Not saying anything new here... I am genuinely excited that people are starting to warm to the idea of proper reform. Beyond just scalping Barry which isn't the solution. The whole structure of the trust needs rethinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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