Mouldy Old Dough

[palmer1]

Was yesterday a one off or have we paid for the use of this song now? Have we cleared whatever er the reason was why it stopped being played before games at BP.

 

This surely has to be played as the players come out now doesn't it?

 

It's unique to Oldham Athletic & with quite a with few fans attempting to clap & sing along like yesterday it's a way to try and build an atmosphere before kick off.

[losesome]

It was stopped because the licence fee to use it had gone up a

ridiculous amount.

Something from a few hundred quid a season to a few thousand.

May have paid a small fee as a one off for yesterday I would guess!!!

[super_blue]

It was stopped because the licence fee to use it had gone up a

ridiculous amount.

Something from a few hundred quid a season to a few thousand.

May have paid a small fee as a one off for yesterday I would guess!!!

Who said the fee had gone up?

 

Normally with the playing of live music You pay a fee for all music not specific songs. So we shouldn't have been restricted playing it if other music was played.

[ShireBlue]

http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news-features/10/oldham-athletic/21232/rising-dough-off-the-menu#comments

 

Hopefully a sponsor has foot the bill and it remains.

[losesome]

http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news-features/10/oldham-athletic/21232/rising-dough-off-the-menu#comments

 

Hopefully a sponsor has foot the bill and it remains.

So we could play it in general at matches but not as the theme tune to come out with ?

[palmer1]

So if we can play it in general, how about after the handshakes? Players on the pitch already at that point...

[Dave_Og]

I think the change in the fee came because it was used as a specific theme rather than part of just general music. Obviously we want it as a specific theme

[L1onheartNew]

So we could play it in general at matches but not as the theme tune to come out with ?

Then I go with Fanfare for the common man as the intro as the players run out, but just after Carl Palmer finishes his kettle drum roll and Emerson fires up the GX-1, Hilda's piano is mixed in and Mouldy old dough takes over.

 

Now that would be perfect

Edited August 15, 2016 by L1onheartNew

[yarddog]

Couple of things come to question about this topic.

 

Isn't all music copyrightable, even happy birthday is copyrighted.

 

If this is true, then it must be the same for every other club. Wouldnt every football team walk out to silence according to this ?

[NewBlue]

Couple of things come to question about this topic.

 

Isn't all music copyrightable, even happy birthday is copyrighted.

 

If this is true, then it must be the same for every other club. Wouldnt every football team walk out to silence according to this ?

Different music demands different fees - some clubs simply have more money, and other clubs may use cheaper music...

[doctor evil]

Couple of things come to question about this topic.

 

Isn't all music copyrightable, even happy birthday is copyrighted.

 

If this is true, then it must be the same for every other club. Wouldnt every football team walk out to silence according to this ?

Yes, but not all of it is copyrighted.....

[rosa]

Played it last night. Hopefully it's now back permanently.

[24hoursfromtulsehill]

Is copyright the same as licensing? I thought it would be PRS demanding a certain amount for different types of use.

 

By the way, PRS is almost universally loathed by artists and composers, unless you're Sir Paul McCartney, Sir Elton John or Coldplay, who do quite well out of it.

[super_blue]

Is copyright the same as licensing? I thought it would be PRS demanding a certain amount for different types of use.

 

By the way, PRS is almost universally loathed by artists and composers, unless you're Sir Paul McCartney, Sir Elton John or Coldplay, who do quite well out of it.

PRS is a way that artists can generate income from people playing their music worldwide. Artists don't loath it as without it they would miss out on income they wouldn't normally be able to generate. What they loath is the process to get the funds but once you have that sorted it's relitivley at straight forward.

 

What artist do loath is the the streaming of music via Spotify, Apple Music etc.

[24hoursfromtulsehill]

PRS is a way that artists can generate income from people playing their music worldwide. Artists don't loath it as without it they would miss out on income they wouldn't normally be able to generate. What they loath is the process to get the funds but once you have that sorted it's relitivley at straight forward.

 

What artist do loath is the the streaming of music via Spotify, Apple Music etc.

Streaming is way worse than Napster, but the uproar is less because Napster was straightforward pirating for the Internet age, whereas streaming is backed by large corporations and therefore seen as legit.

 

I thought the PRS process went something like this: you record some music, sign a distribution deal and get seen. Your manager manages to get you playlisted on Radio 2. This generates a theoretical amount of money per play, the lion's share of which goes to Chris Martin of Coldplay.

[Ackey]

Streaming is way worse than Napster, but the uproar is less because Napster.

Horse:censored:. I don't doubt the rest of what you said and it's sickening how slow the music industry adapted to the internet age - but there's no way that's true.

[super_blue]

Streaming is way worse than Napster, but the uproar is less because Napster was straightforward pirating for the Internet age, whereas streaming is backed by large corporations and therefore seen as legit.

 

I thought the PRS process went something like this: you record some music, sign a distribution deal and get seen. Your manager manages to get you playlisted on Radio 2. This generates a theoretical amount of money per play, the lion's share of which goes to Chris Martin of Coldplay.

 

 

The whole streaming things is a massive discussion in itself in terms of artist percentages etc. It is great for the exposure for music and your product but awful in terms of generating income and earning from it.

 

In terms of PRS is works like this...

 

An individual/band register with PRS. Then all songs they write, produce, compose etc go against their name. When one of your tracks is then played in a club, stadium etc that individual/band get royalties for the playing of that track. Without PRS that person/band may never know their track has been played and used for entertainment value. So essentially PRS licenses companies, venues etc to play there music on behalf of its members. They then distribute the royalties to that individual or band.

 

There are various types of licenses that venue can apply for dependant on what they are using the music for. Any place that plays music to the public need a license. From your local dentist all the way to the Manchester arena. The price of the licence depends on the numbers of people listening to that music.

 

You get paid for your music being played basically and this is done via PRS.

[L1onheartNew]

The price of the licence depends on the numbers of people listening to that music.

 

Well that's good. The license charge to play Mouldy old Dough at BP should be all of 17p then. Edited August 17, 2016 by L1onheartNew

[24hoursfromtulsehill]

 

 

The whole streaming things is a massive discussion in itself in terms of artist percentages etc. It is great for the exposure for music and your product but awful in terms of generating income and earning from it.

 

In terms of PRS is works like this...

 

An individual/band register with PRS. Then all songs they write, produce, compose etc go against their name. When one of your tracks is then played in a club, stadium etc that individual/band get royalties for the playing of that track. Without PRS that person/band may never know their track has been played and used for entertainment value. So essentially PRS licenses companies, venues etc to play there music on behalf of its members. They then distribute the royalties to that individual or band.

 

There are various types of licenses that venue can apply for dependant on what they are using the music for. Any place that plays music to the public need a license. From your local dentist all the way to the Manchester arena. The price of the licence depends on the numbers of people listening to that music.

 

You get paid for your music being played basically and this is done via PRS.

I get that. The complaint ('scuse my ignorance) is how the PRS knows your song has been played and not that of another artist. That's how come the PRS pot ends up being cut between Chris Martin and the Bedwetters, Adele and various musical knights of the realm rather than ending up in the pockets of that obscure indie band with the catchy tune or that Europop cheese merchant whose name changes every week for tax purposes.

[super_blue]

I get that. The complaint ('scuse my ignorance) is how the PRS knows your song has been played and not that of another artist. That's how come the PRS pot ends up being cut between Chris Martin and the Bedwetters, Adele and various musical knights of the realm rather than ending up in the pockets of that obscure indie band with the catchy tune or that Europop cheese merchant whose name changes every week for tax purposes.

All music venues need to declare what music is played after each event. If a band plays a set then they have to fill paper work out (or management do) that states what songs they performed and then who the writers where etc. If they do a cover of a track someone else composes then that person gets the royalties.

 

When it comes to TV, radio etc then PRS themselves gather this information together and asign royalties as a result.

 

Only the composer, writer etc of a track receives the royalties. If Coldplay decide to cover a track of another artist on their world tour then bingo for that artist as they receive royalties as its there track.

 

Money just doesn't get sent to random people it's all based on the writers etc of the tracks.

 

What makes you think the big acts just get money? The big acts are in a stronger place for payouts of course as their music is played more and in front of bigger audiences. So that = more £££

 

And if your name changes every week for Tax purposes that's your problem of your not getting paid.

Edited August 17, 2016 by super_blue

[Ackey]

All music venues need to declare what music is played after each event. If a band plays a set then they have to fill paper work out (or management do) that states what songs they performed and then who the writers where etc. If they do a cover of a track someone else composes then that person gets the royalties.

 

When it comes to TV, radio etc then PRS themselves gather this information together and asign royalties as a result.

 

Only the composer, writer etc of a track receives the royalties. If Coldplay decide to cover a track of another artist on their world tour then bingo for that artist as they receive royalties as its there track.

 

Money just doesn't get sent to random people it's all based on the writers etc of the tracks.

 

What makes you think the big acts just get money? The big acts are in a stronger place for payouts of course as their music is played more and in front of bigger audiences. So that = more £££

 

And if your name changes every week for Tax purposes that's your problem of your not getting paid.

Because U2 and Coldplay's label have the resources available to enforce their rights, equally it's harder to get away with playing a U2 song unnoticed than it is the obscure Cheese Indie Euro Rockers that 24 mentions.

[LaticsPete]

This is all very young. Hasn't someone got it on cassette?

[super_blue]

Because U2 and Coldplay's label have the resources available to enforce their rights, equally it's harder to get away with playing a U2 song unnoticed than it is the obscure Cheese Indie Euro Rockers that 24 mentions.

But they can only get what they are entitled to so fair play to them. There labels spend a lot to create the product so do the work to get back their investment.

 

PRS is there to help the smaller person get there royalties they are entitled to if they aren't signed to a label or a publishing deal.

Edited August 17, 2016 by super_blue

[nzlatic]

Anyone else on here been in New Zealand and seen Pulp Sport?

 

Always enjoyed father vs son...

 

[24hoursfromtulsehill]

Ackey's right. It's about enforcement. And are we to assume that forms are filled in by every pub and club in the land? Where no real data exists, surely PRS makes a projection based on potential bother from artist management, which naturally results in Chris Martin getting more cash for his plodding crybaby dross.