Edmundson

[Magister]

It's people with officious personalities, like referees have, that mean meat and potato pies have to be called potato and meat.

Why do you think they are called match officials?.....and on balance I prefer officiuosness to anarchy

Edited December 3, 2016 by Magister

[GlossopLatic]

I do hope that if we get a controversial goal late on in the game on Monday that wins us the game that we offer to replay the fixture as it would be in the corinthian spirit of the game.

 

Also if the ref sends 4 of our plays off and gives 2 controversial penalties we shouldn't make any complaints to the FA as that's just how it goes and its just not very British to complain, stiff upper lip old boy.

 

I admire you're stance it's very Christian of you.

[Dave_Og]

I do hope that if we get a controversial goal late on in the game on Monday that wins us the game that we offer to replay the fixture as it would be in the corinthian spirit of the game.

 

Also if the ref sends 4 of our plays off and gives 2 controversial penalties we shouldn't make any complaints to the FA as that's just how it goes and its just not very British to complain, stiff upper lip old boy.

 

I admire you're stance it's very Christian of you.

Spectacular point missing

[Magister]

I do hope that if we get a controversial goal late on in the game on Monday that wins us the game that we offer to replay the fixture as it would be in the corinthian spirit of the game.

Also if the ref sends 4 of our plays off and gives 2 controversial penalties we shouldn't make any complaints to the FA as that's just how it goes and its just not very British to complain, stiff upper lip old boy.

I admire you're stance it's very Christian of you.

Actually I would be totally opposed to any hypothetical offer to replay a game.....that would be exactly the same crime. Undermining the principle of the referee's decision being accepted and final

[CD's Orange Heels]

Refs have no chance. Pretty much every player cheats in every game

Maybe the reason they cheat is because they know that football referees are terrible and very easy to con? Along with the fact there will be little or no comeback after because the referee didn't see it, and the referees decision is final stance. I don't blame the players for it, it's the referees and officials job to stamp it out. They just aren't up to it.

[Magister]

Unbelievable.....it is now the referee's fault that players cheat.

[Dave_Og]

Maybe the reason they cheat is because they know that football referees are terrible and very easy to con? Along with the fact there will be little or no comeback after because the referee didn't see it, and the referees decision is final stance. I don't blame the players for it, it's the referees and officials job to stamp it out. They just aren't up to it.

It's the referees' fault that the players cheat? Remarkable conclusion.

[CD's Orange Heels]

It's the referees' fault that the players cheat? Remarkable conclusion.

You said in one of your posts all players cheat. If referees did their job it just wouldn't happen. They set the rules and enforce them don't they? Governments get moaned at for large corporations avoiding tax. Police get moaned at when there are spates of burglary. What's the difference?

Cheating is just getting worse in the game, I put it down to the fact that the refs can't control the game effectively.

[Magister]

There is no diference if you like ...the large companies fiddling tax are crooks, burglars breaking into houses are criminals and players trying to cheat the paying public are cheats .

All 3 are despicable while the government the police and the referee are charged by us to stop their activities and they do it better when supported by right minded people

[CD's Orange Heels]

There is no diference if you like ...the large companies fiddling tax are crooks, burglars breaking into houses are criminals and players trying to cheat the paying public are cheats .

All 3 are despicable while the government the police and the referee are charged by us to stop their activities and they do it better when supported by right minded people

I'd agree with you there. Where I don't agree with you is if the government or the police get something wrong they get taken to task and generally they are accountable for their actions. When a referee gets something wrong he was right and that's the end of the argument. You can't ever improve, move forward or effect change with an attitude like that. That's why the situation is just getting worse and worse. I put the blame firmly with referees and those in charge of the game.

[rvlatic]

The only referee I have seen with the bollocks to apply the new rules regarding players holding and obstructing each other in the box is mike dean -nearly everyone else chooses to ignore it..

[leeslover]

To be fair the refs at the top level could set an example by booking people who call them a :censored:. It might make it easier for ones lower down to do the same.

[Dave_Og]

It's just so easy to blame the refs. They are subject to so much scrutiny and slated for every decision that is even marginal. They are human, they have one pair ef eyes. There is no way on earth that they can live up to the demands that the media puts on them, which obviously influences every level.

[CD's Orange Heels]

It's just so easy to blame the refs. They are subject to so much scrutiny and slated for every decision that is even marginal. They are human, they have one pair ef eyes. There is no way on earth that they can live up to the demands that the media puts on them, which obviously influences every level.

I disagree it's anything to do with the media. The premier league is over analysed yes, but at our level they are terrible. I wouldn't say that the media influences anything outside the Premier. They're far worse at our level and there is just no defending them. I'd say we get 2 or 3 decent refs a season, it's not good enough.

[Dave_Og]

I disagree it's anything to do with the media. The premier league is over analysed yes, but at our level they are terrible. I wouldn't say that the media influences anything outside the Premier. They're far worse at our level and there is just no defending them. I'd say we get 2 or 3 decent refs a season, it's not good enough.

Of course the media affects our level, not directly maybe, but they affect every level including sunday league and kids games.

[Magister]

We have a suggestion that players cheat because they can get away it. What about then advocating that the next time the pundits say that there was no contact and it was not a penalty they don't sit in the pundits boxtalking about Mariner, dean , Oliver ,clattenburg or whoever and instead start saying that hazard Rooney Pogba or whoever should geta 3 match ban .

 

Yesterday we had to endure Gary Neville justifying Chelsea players getting involved in a brawl. If the Rochdale player rightly got 12 matches for his assault on Clarke how many games should Aguero get for the example he set to millions watching from league 1 to Oldham Sunday League to primary school under 8s.....

Edited December 4, 2016 by Magister

[nzlatic]

We have a suggestion that players cheat because they can get away it. What about then advocating that the next time the pundits say that there was no contact and it was not a penalty they don't sit in the pundits boxtalking about Mariner, dean , Oliver ,clattenburg or whoever and instead start saying that hazard Rooney Pogba or whoever should geta 3 match ban .

 

Yesterday we had to endure Gary Neville justifying Chelsea players getting involved in a brawl. If the Rochdale player rightly got 12 matches for his assault on Clarke how many games should Aguero get for the example he set to millions watching from league 1 to Oldham Sunday League to primary school under 8s.....

Just watching the Dele Alli penalty incident from yesterday. Refs need help. An independent panel reviewing the footage and giving Alli a 3 match ban for an outrageous dive would be a start. I have no clue why this isn't already in place.

[yarddog73]

Trying to find the last time Edmondson was mentioned, threads gone off on a bit of a tangent.

[Magister]

Trying to find the last time Edmondson was mentioned, threads gone off on a bit of a tangent.

That'll be the ref's fault

[CD's Orange Heels]

We have a suggestion that players cheat because they can get away it. What about then advocating that the next time the pundits say that there was no contact and it was not a penalty they don't sit in the pundits boxtalking about Mariner, dean , Oliver ,clattenburg or whoever and instead start saying that hazard Rooney Pogba or whoever should geta 3 match ban .

 

Yesterday we had to endure Gary Neville justifying Chelsea players getting involved in a brawl. If the Rochdale player rightly got 12 matches for his assault on Clarke how many games should Aguero get for the example he set to millions watching from league 1 to Oldham Sunday League to primary school under 8s.....

The referees get called out by the media because they are the ones in control. If the players improve their behaviour the refs will still make mistakes won't they? As has been said they're human, mistakes will happen. They don't just balls up when players cheat they get it wrong much, much more than that. So we've still got a flawed system. If the focus is on the ref and the laws of the game it can only improve things can't it? Rather than this ridiculous old fashioned stance where the ref is always right, even when every man and his dog knows they are wrong. Most other sports provide help to officials to get things as right as they can be using modern technology. The game has moved on so much in the last 20 years, not just the pace of the game but the amount of money riding on some games. For me refereeing standards are going backwards at some pace.

[Magister]

Whether you use technology or not the principle remains. The referee's decision has to be final , right and accepted. The TMO in rugby , the fourth official in cricket are just referees too.

[CD's Orange Heels]

Whether you use technology or not the principle remains. The referee's decision has to be final , right and accepted. The TMO in rugby , the fourth official in cricket are just referees too.

No the decision needs to be final and right. Not final and wrong.

[Magister]

No the decision needs to be final and right. Not final and wrong.

....can't see cameras and technology being installed on Clayton playing fields any time soon

 

At Twickenham yesterday there were about 40 cameras..the referee thought the Australian winger might have been guilty of foul play, he referred it to the TMO. After 6 replays and different angles the TMO ruled it was foul play and a yellow card was issued......followed immediately by Will Greenwood the expert pundit questioning the decision.

 

Only the match officials can decide what the final decision is and that then to accepted as right or you can scrap any sport

[CD's Orange Heels]

....can't see cameras and technology being installed on Clayton playing fields any time soon

 

At Twickenham yesterday there were about 40 cameras..the referee thought the Australian winger might have been guilty of foul play, he referred it to the TMO. After 6 replays and different angles the TMO ruled it was foul play and a yellow card was issued......followed immediately by Will Greenwood the expert pundit questioning the decision.

 

Only the match officials can decide what the final decision is and that then to accepted as right or you can scrap any sport

You seem to keep changing the goalposts to suit your argument but here goes. I disagree on all points. Obviously technology wouldn't be used at non league level, do any of the other sports that use tech introduce it at all levels of the game? You're just being pedantic and you know it. You raise a good point though in that the only difference in the standard of refereeing between a million pound premier league game and a kick about on Clayton is very little when it comes to the officiating of the game. They both have the same chancers in control of the game guessing what has happened.

 

Second point, you're trying to compare a sport that is renowned for good standards of refereeing and amazing levels of respect shown by players and make it seem bad? I'm not stupid I know that there will still be some level of error, it's just attempting to get the level of error as low as possible. I really don't think you can bring rugby up as a bad example in this discussion.

 

At the moment we have a completely random, inconsistent and error ridden system in a sport that in most other areas is groundbreaking. It sounds like you're happy with the current guessing game, you're entitled to that opinion but like the refs you support you're very wrong.

[Dave_Og]

You raise a good point though in that the only difference in the standard of refereeing between a million pound premier league game and a kick about on Clayton is very little when it comes to the officiating of the game.

 

Sorry, but that is utter bollocks.