BP1960 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Just who is going to score goals from the lot we have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Any of the other 9 outfield players. With Holloway/Ngoo grabbing a couple over the next 16 games. With O'Neill/Banks we look considerably more dangerous from set-pieces than we have done of late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share Posted February 7, 2017 Any of the other 9 outfield players. With Holloway/Ngoo grabbing a couple over the next 16 games. With O'Neill/Banks we look considerably more dangerous from set-pieces than we have done of late. So 2 goals from our strikers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 So 2 goals from our strikers?1.) Do goals from strikers count double?2.) It depends how you class McLaughlin, Taylor, Obadeyi, Flynn and Erwin, all of whom are likely to 'partner' Holloway/Ngoo up front at some stage, but there's not a striker amongst them, I can see the first 4 all scoring between now and May though. Osei might grab one, depending on how much time he gets, but any goal he gets this season will be a bonus, he is "one for the future". 3.) There are 16 games left, our last 2 wins have been the result of someone other than Holloway/Ngoo scoring. It doesn't matter how many goals Holloway/Ngoo get if we don't win the number of games needed to stay up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boshell4eng Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Anything in the fact the 'fishal announced Taylor would wear 9 when he first signed and he's now wearing 12? Another number 9 to come in as a free agent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Anything in the fact the 'fishal announced Taylor would wear 9 when he first signed and he's now wearing 12? Another number 9 to come in as a free agent? i think that you are being very optimistic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scapegoat Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Just who is going to score goals from the lot we have? Still the biggest concern. I never thought last season that Holloway or Main looked like players that would score goals, but the type of player that needs someone alongside them who will. Holloway got injured before it would have been fair to confirm that view and then Curtis completely proved me wrong. This season Holloway continues to look like a target man / foil type player. Alongside him we just don't seem have any obvious strong candidates. I think the problem is deeper than the lack of a goal scorer. I still see a general lack of impetuous to get players forward with pace to support an attack. We are too pedestrian when attacking, and there are far too many times when we have the ball in forward positions and there will be one Latics player in the box (the other forward player out wide looking to cross) and 4 or 5 opposition defenders. That becomes a very hard situation to fashion an opening from. Where are the midfielders and full backs sprinting forward to give options? Also - when we do get the ball, we generally build slowly which gives the other team chance to get back and defend with backs to the goal. You want to go with pace and have them running back towards the goal where they are likely to make mistakes. Not sure a "centre forward" will make a difference until Shez can change the team style of play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorvik_latic Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Anything in the fact the 'fishal announced Taylor would wear 9 when he first signed and he's now wearing 12? Another number 9 to come in as a free agent? Did they? I saw that they announced him as 12 in the squad numbers article, was there another? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 When he first signed they said he'd wear the No 9, only to change it to twelve a day or two later. I did see that myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayItLivo Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Squad numbers allude to :censored: all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 50 points probably keeps you up this time, won't need loads of goals to get the required points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 8, 2017 Author Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) 50 points probably keeps you up this time, won't need loads of goals to get the required points. You could go down if you concede more than you score, as is a possibility with this squad. Edited February 8, 2017 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 You could go down if you concede more than you score, as is a possibility with this squad. We don't concede a lot of goals, no reason to think that changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scapegoat Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 We don't concede a lot of goals, no reason to think that changes. There is the risk that in an attempt to score more goals, Sheridan does instruct the team (as I have argued we need to in another post) to be more attacking. In doing so we lose some of our relative defensive strength but our strikers don't take the opportunities we create. I remember years back under Royle we were a free flowing attacking team but with a suspect defence. Attempts to fix the defence resulted in far fewer goals and arguably we were worse if in terms of points being won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 8, 2017 Author Share Posted February 8, 2017 We don't concede a lot of goals, no reason to think that changes. So we stay in the same position with that logic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_ktf Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Where's Lee Sinnot- to calmingly tell us all there's no chance we'll go down? Seriously Lee, where are you? I'm starting to get twitchy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 So we stay in the same position with that logic? Unlikely that we leap up the table now, if after 46 games we stay up by goal difference then it will be job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 8, 2017 Author Share Posted February 8, 2017 The common denominator is we kept the same coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 The common denominator is we kept the same coach. Where's Tommy Wright when you need him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) We're not a lot different to how we were under Shez last season. Not pretty but effective. A good win against the odds on Saturday. But for a bent ref last night we would've got a point I wasn't expecting. Win on Saturday and things will look miles better as we will be on the coat-tails of a bunch of clubs above 20th place. Taylor, O'Neill and Hunt are new additions that will take time to gel. Holloway took a handful of games to get going last season before injury hit. I did feel us not selling Clarke meant it cost us getting in a sorely needed striker but we will have to live with it (and losing Clarke would've seen us down IMO.) This is the culmination of last summer, Robbo :censored:ing it up in the cups and us being skint. It'll be close but I think 48pts will be enough (going off last seasons 45pts for the drop) and out of the 16 games left, I can see us getting the 5 wins and 5 draws needed. I'd prefer more of a safety gap than that but if someone offered me 48pts now, I'd take it. Edited February 8, 2017 by boundaryblue80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Where's Lee Sinnot- to calmingly tell us all there's no chance we'll go down? Seriously Lee, where are you? I'm starting to get twitchy. Breeding again. Terrifying, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 I think the problem is deeper than the lack of a goal scorer. I still see a general lack of impetuous to get players forward with pace to support an attack. We are too pedestrian when attacking, and there are far too many times when we have the ball in forward positions and there will be one Latics player in the box (the other forward player out wide looking to cross) and 4 or 5 opposition defenders. That becomes a very hard situation to fashion an opening from. Where are the midfielders and full backs sprinting forward to give options? Also - when we do get the ball, we generally build slowly which gives the other team chance to get back and defend with backs to the goal. You want to go with pace and have them running back towards the goal where they are likely to make mistakes. Not sure a "centre forward" will make a difference until Shez can change the team style of play Nail on head. Last night was my first game this season, and that's exactly how we played. I'd noticed it in previous games on the highlights, but it's clear when watching live that it's our biggest problem. Little overlapping, players preferring to turn back inside and play the safer pass, very few runners into the box and on the odd occasion it does happen there's no one willing to risk the killer pass. The intent wasn't there last night, and nothing changed after half time (got worse if anything), so gave the impression we were going for a 0-0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latics and England Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 4 goals scored by strikers this season (league games) or 5 if you include McLaughlin as he was playing up front. This has to be a record of some sort. Our 35 year old centre half has scored twice as many for uws this season than all the strikers we have on the books! As already mentioned it doesn't matter who scores but it is hard work when you have nobody upfront you can rely on to pop up from time to time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 8, 2017 Author Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) Nail on head. Last night was my first game this season, and that's exactly how we played. I'd noticed it in previous games on the highlights, but it's clear when watching live that it's our biggest problem. Little overlapping, players preferring to turn back inside and play the safer pass, very few runners into the box and on the odd occasion it does happen there's no one willing to risk the killer pass. The intent wasn't there last night, and nothing changed after half time (got worse if anything), so gave the impression we were going for a 0-0. I thought Taylor, O'Neill and Obedayi were brought in to change that, or is it despite Shez wanting to attack the coach is stifling them? Edited February 8, 2017 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Nail on head. Last night was my first game this season, and that's exactly how we played. I'd noticed it in previous games on the highlights, but it's clear when watching live that it's our biggest problem. Little overlapping, players preferring to turn back inside and play the safer pass, very few runners into the box and on the odd occasion it does happen there's no one willing to risk the killer pass. The intent wasn't there last night, and nothing changed after half time (got worse if anything), so gave the impression we were going for a 0-0. Exactly. It was obvious from early in the game that we were set up for a point. In a way Sheridan was at fault because of his defensive mindset which saw many on the pitch unwilling to take a chance. Disappointed with the approach, gutted with the way we lost it at the death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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