kowenicki Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, deyres42 said: How many points gained in January? You know, when we didn't have Bryan, Byrne, Doyle et al? Ha. You said we were done after the end of the transfer window, so I show you we did well immediately following that for 5 consecutive games including Blackburn and Scunthorpe away.....so you flip your argument again. You need to stop. ....all over the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 minute ago, deyres42 said: One has many years of coaching experience, the other doesn't, simple enough to understand really. Your very good at deflecting. Your a well known wind up merchant, who often try’s to hard. When your riddles/contradictions are pulled up, you bring in another obscure point. You got more faces than a rubix cube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 minute ago, kowenicki said: Ha. You said we were done after the end of the transfer window, so I show you we did well immediately following that for 5 consecutive games including Blackburn and Scunthorpe away.....so you flip your argument again. You need to stop. ....all over the place. No I said not having those players available in January was a big blow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, League one forever said: Your very good at deflecting. Your a well known wind up merchant, who often try’s to hard. When your riddles/contradictions are pulled up, you bring in another obscure point. You got more faces than a rubix cube. Rookie manager working in tough circumstances with no experience didn't have all the answers, not sure why people find that so hard to comprehend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, deyres42 said: No I said not having those players available in January was a big blow. No. You said everything that happened AFTER was a consequence. We got 11 points in the 5 games after. So we were good enough in the 5 games and the 6 weeks following. Then we weren’t again. Manager! If you can’t recall that he changed his approach I suggest you have a think. He changed it and we went totally off the boil. The personnel was the same in March as it was in Feb. We capitulated against Portsmouth at home and he bottled it, buggering about with tactics and formation from that game on. I dont know know if you actually believe this constant repositioning of your point or if you are just a contrarian. Edited November 14, 2018 by kowenicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Rookie manager working in tough circumstances with no experience didn't have all the answers, not sure why people find that so hard to comprehend. Who? Wellens or Bunn? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 minute ago, kowenicki said: No. You said everything that happened AFTER was a consequence. We got 11 points in the 5 games after. So we were good enough in the 5 games and the 6 weeks following. Then we weren’t again. Manager! If you can’t recall that he changed his approach I suggest you have a think. He changed it and we went totally off the boil. The personnel was the same in March as it was in Feb. We capitulated against Portsmouth at home and he bottled it, buggering about with tactics and formation from that game on. The three matches that Bryan and Byrne didn't play IN JANUARY we took one point out of nine, won three of the following five when they came back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 minute ago, League one forever said: Who? Wellens or Bunn? Both. Bunn does have many more years coaching experience to fall back on though so you'd hope he might have learned a thing or two in that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, deyres42 said: The three matches that Bryan and Byrne didn't play IN JANUARY we took one point out of nine, won three of the following five when they came back. So why did we then totally collapse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 13 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Both. Bunn does have many more years coaching experience to fall back on though so you'd hope he might have learned a thing or two in that time. Coaching and managing are two very different animals. Both are rookie managers. Both have/are working under tough conditions. Wellens though had a far better squad to work with- and failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 8 hours ago, kowenicki said: So why did we then totally collapse? It is a game of many variables, that is one of the great things about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 7 hours ago, League one forever said: Coaching and managing are two very different animals. Both are rookie managers. Both have/are working under tough conditions. Wellens though had a far better squad to work with- and failed. Depends how you define failure I guess. Coaching and managing are indeed different - not unreasonable to think though that we might have expected more from Bunn in terms in tactical nous etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1onheartNew Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 21 hours ago, L1onheartNew said: Some of the football under Wellens was the best i have seen from an Oldham side in years. He will not be anywhere near as hamstrung as he was here. Tenner going on Swindon to go up. Aaah. Downboated by a Shezbot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 10 hours ago, kowenicki said: I dont know know if you actually believe this constant repositioning of your point or if you are just a contrarian. The latter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 So according to this Minay chap there was no reason for Wellens' departure other than relegation. If that was true then he'd have gone within days, at most, of the end of the season. I don't think he's the fearless investigative reporter of yore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1onheartNew Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 On 11/14/2018 at 8:33 PM, L1onheartNew said: Some of the football under Wellens was the best i have seen from an Oldham side in years. He will not be anywhere near as hamstrung as he was here. Tenner going on Swindon to go up. 2 downboats. 2 Shezbots. Can i get a nanu nanu? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 On 11/14/2018 at 10:42 PM, deyres42 said: The three matches that Bryan and Byrne didn't play IN JANUARY we took one point out of nine, won three of the following five when they came back. January was terrible. But we didn't get relegated by January's results only. We were on the slide from October. 2 more points in 35 games from October would have kept us up. I think RW got sidetracked by the off the field stuff, rather than shielding the players from it. No team ever got relegated from one month's results. Here is his points per game for each month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, singe said: January was terrible. But we didn't get relegated by January's results only. We were on the slide from October. 2 more points in 35 games from October would have kept us up. I think RW got sidetracked by the off the field stuff, rather than shielding the players from it. No team ever got relegated from one month's results. Here is his points per game for each month. The last 8 were more important than all the others though, never forget that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 11 minutes ago, deyres42 said: The last 8 were more important than all the others though, never forget that. Nice try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 25 minutes ago, deyres42 said: The last 8 were more important than all the others though, never forget that. As it transpired, the first 5 were the most important, without them it might have been very different..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 12 minutes ago, League one forever said: Nice try. He's right though, other teams managed to pull it round and stay up - we didn't. It's how you react to adversity that defines you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 2 hours ago, L1onheartNew said: 2 downboats. 2 Shezbots. Can i get a nanu nanu? Just realised you are referring to me, shez has nothing to do with this. Well apart from signing the players that made wellens look good, until he manged to fuck them up too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 29 minutes ago, deyres42 said: The last 8 were more important than all the others though, never forget that. So basically we drew every game for the last 3 months. He was useless! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bobledgersheart said: He's right though, other teams managed to pull it round and stay up - we didn't. It's how you react to adversity that defines you. Think you’ve misunderstood Bob. I’m in full agreement. Im just Acknowldeging Mr Eyres latest punt at a wind up, unfortunately for him I think we’re all bit loved up with Rochdale tie to get involved today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, League one forever said: Think you’ve misunderstood Bob. I’m in full agreement. Im just Acknowldeging Mr Eyres latest punt at a wind up, unfortunately for him I think we’re all bit loved up with Rochdale tie to get involved today. Ah, now I understand. I'm getting there, but slowly ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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