leeslover Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I remember now, and you were told exactly what was going on - I warned a lot of people (mods included) to stop taking swipes at one another that day, may I suggest that it continues Andy... EDIT: sorry Rick, didn't know there was a BOT warning posted.... What d'ya reckon Matt? You, me, Corp and Stitch in a Monk's Chain? PS I think it might have been a secondary disagreement where you told us to be nice rather than the one I refer to, but fair enough, we should try to be... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch_KTF Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Got to go out now, but if you have the time, do some reading around the interweb on the subject. And worry. Does this apply? "There is a view that the recession is going to lower the UK's growth potential as investment falls back, skills are lost and capital is made redundant. If this is true, then our subsequent growth path will be lower than it used to be. I do not share this pessimism. Interestingly, the normal rate of growth of productivity in manufacturing is higher than in the services sector, so a shift from services to manufacturing could be expected to raise overall productivity growth. Whatever capital investment is lost in the recession because of credit shortage may be largely made up once the recovery gets under way. Moreover, the City does not use much by way of fixed assets, except buildings, and they will still be there when the recession is over." Of course I wouldn't normally have bothered posting that, but when I then read "It seemed that our destiny was continual decline into mediocrity." I somehow felt I had to. Some Interweb Reading What d'ya reckon Matt? You, me, Corp and Stitch in a Monk's Chain? PS I think it might have been a secondary disagreement where you told us to be nice rather than the one I refer to, but fair enough, we should try to be... After googling 'Monk's Chain' I am somewhat relieved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 He might well do yet, 'cos Doncaster are spending massively. Typo corrected. All part of the service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 (edited) After googling 'Monk's Chain' I am somewhat relieved. You were reading the wrong website. Edited February 2, 2009 by leeslover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch_KTF Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 You were reading the wrong website. FFS..... Monk's Chain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 FFS..... Monk's Chain OK, that was the sort I was thinking about. One of my friends showed me one of them back in the days before I knew what Interweb Porn was, and before Universities stopped people accessing it. I think there were about 15-20 monks in that particular monastery. They didn't seem to be too bothered with quiet contemplation, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StipeTripe Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Other clubs that manage to achieve a thing or two manage to expand their fanbase. Contrast the fortunes of clubs that are known to have clearly defined plans to those that merely drift along. Hmmmmmmmmmm I thought you weren't interested in what "other" clubs did? Like for example if I wrote that a club in the past had a bit of a dodgy run in the league but still got promoted after pulling themselves together. You know Corp the sort of happy clappy rose tinted specs reply I might have made to one of you tiresomely moribund posts in the past. Where your excellently thought out response would be that you weren't interested in what other clubs did? Only interested when it suits your otiose arguments eh? Do you think I've got the time and energy to waste on devising strategies for the club that would inevitably be of no interest to those with the ability to implement them? Well you seem to have plenty of time and energy to post all of your other thoughts, the continual familiarity of which inevitably mean they have little or no interest. Waits for the reply which will explain why I don't get it, not doubt delivered with the usual smug complacency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Does this apply? "There is a view that the recession is going to lower the UK's growth potential as investment falls back, skills are lost and capital is made redundant. If this is true, then our subsequent growth path will be lower than it used to be. I do not share this pessimism. Interestingly, the normal rate of growth of productivity in manufacturing is higher than in the services sector, so a shift from services to manufacturing could be expected to raise overall productivity growth. Whatever capital investment is lost in the recession because of credit shortage may be largely made up once the recovery gets under way. Moreover, the City does not use much by way of fixed assets, except buildings, and they will still be there when the recession is over." Of course I wouldn't normally have bothered posting that, but when I then read "It seemed that our destiny was continual decline into mediocrity." I somehow felt I had to. Some Interweb Reading An article by an economist, most of whom, by their own general admission called it so wrong about what lay ahead before the banking implosion it's unbelievable. A minority of them predicted it correctly, however, as, too, did some non-economists with their eyes on the ball. Personally, I prefer to listen to what those who turned out to be correct are saying about what lies ahead; almost to a man, what they predict isn't good. What's interesting is that none of these people are of the kind who might wish to see the capitalist system overturned, but the opposite: people who were deeply involved in investing, speculating and making vast amounts of money commenting and advising government and business on economic matters. Of course, the optimists are in the majority, but, as I say, they are not the ones who turned out to be right. Even your man in the quoted article admits that any recovery is some way off. And they usually advise against the assumption that, even in the event of the best of all possible outcomes, it isn't going to be a case of taking up where we left off... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankly Mr Shankly Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 An article by an economist, most of whom, by their own general admission called it so wrong about what lay ahead before the banking implosion it's unbelievable. A minority of them predicted it correctly, however, as, too, did some non-economists with their eyes on the ball. Personally, I prefer to listen to what those who turned out to be correct are saying about what lies ahead; almost to a man, what they predict isn't good. What's interesting is that none of these people are of the kind who might wish to see the capitalist system overturned, but the opposite: people who were deeply involved in investing, speculating and making vast amounts of money commenting and advising government and business on economic matters. Of course, the optimists are in the majority, but, as I say, they are not the ones who turned out to be right. Even your man in the quoted article admits that any recovery is some way off. And they usually advise against the assumption that, even in the event of the best of all possible outcomes, it isn't going to be a case of taking up where we left off... Hehe. So effectively, you tell him to "do some reading on the interweb" and when he does you tell him "No, you read the wrong thing"? Love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch_KTF Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Imagine a future where all of Corporal Jones' prophecies came true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddyblue Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Doubt if I will sleep tonight worrying about :- 1. The long term effects of the current recession on the future of capitalism and society as we have come to know it 2. Whether or not Latics, Doncaster or any other club ffs are to sign Kilkenny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Hmmmmmmmmmm I thought you weren't interested in what "other" clubs did? Like for example if I wrote that a club in the past had a bit of a dodgy run in the league but still got promoted after pulling themselves together. You know Corp the sort of happy clappy rose tinted specs reply I might have made to one of you tiresomely moribund posts in the past. Where your excellently thought out response would be that you weren't interested in what other clubs did? Only interested when it suits your otiose arguments eh? Well you seem to have plenty of time and energy to post all of your other thoughts, the continual familiarity of which inevitably mean they have little or no interest. Waits for the reply which will explain why I don't get it, not doubt delivered with the usual smug complacency. Another one of Stipe Tripe's sulks put into words. For some reason he seems to take personal offence at any hint of doubt as to the health of the club or suggestion that yet another promotion push is beginning to look unconvincing. I might not be interested in the details of what goes on at other clubs, but that doesn't mean I don't notice that other clubs manage to achieve what some on here are adamant this club is incapable of, and that is to make progress up the divisions and build their fanbase. This is somewhat different to constantly trotting out the notion that just because Blackpool (or whoever) had a bad start or a wobble and still won the play-offs a few seasons ago, this has some kind of bearing on what happens at BP. You might as well believe in the tooth fairy as see hope in this. And he's the one who speaks of complacency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Doubt if I will sleep tonight worrying about :- 1. The long term effects of the current recession on the future of capitalism and society as we have come to know it 2. Whether or not Latics, Doncaster or any other club ffs are to sign Kilkenny What does it take to make people see that the effects of the current recession on the future of capitalism have a bearing on the proposed stadium redevelopment and, hence, the entire future of this football club? This is more important than whether or not we sign a largely overrated player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Imagine a future where all of Corporal Jones' prophecies came true. I haven't made any prophecies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Hehe. So effectively, you tell him to "do some reading on the interweb" and when he does you tell him "No, you read the wrong thing"? Love it. If you love it so much, read what I've said again and notice that I haven't told him that he read the wrong thing but merely commented briefly on what he did read and quoted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch_KTF Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I haven't made any prophecies. True, although I always imagined you had viewed your contributions as prophecy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardy Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Cant be arsed reading through all this! Has he signed for Donny or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hometownclub Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Cant be arsed reading through all this! Has he signed for Donny or what? Sorry, the only way to find out is to read through all 9 pages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddyblue Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Corp you make reference to the ills of the past having led to what you consider to be a distinct possibility of the end of a full time professional football team in Oldham if I get your general drift. There is no doubt that the decline from 94 on was scandalous. The club surely should have been able to level off in the 2nd div and had Big Joe stayed I think we would. That said there is at least the prospect of steady but frustratingly slow progress under the present set up. I may be naaive but I believe TTA , Shez et al genuinely do want promotion. History shows that the support has always been poor, and in the long run this may be the factor that does lead to extinction as you fear. But to sarcastically compare us with Doncaster is wholly unfair. There "success" is because of loaded owners - nothing else. Without them they are non-league By comparison Latics' achievements & history are excellent. So allow those of us with hope & faith to continue with some guarded optimism. We are still in the top 6. If you are proved right in the long term fair enough. Short of a loaded arab billionaire, or me winning a 5x rollover on euromillions we have to deal with what we have got and i do not see how much more can be done than is already being done By the way does anyone hav any news about Kilkenny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markoasis Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Cant be arsed reading through all this! Has he signed for Donny or what? there is nothing on their OB .... but then again theres not much on ours I wonder if the management team at Donnies when sledging yesterday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 True, although I always imagined you had viewed your contributions as prophecy. No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 (edited) Corp you make reference to the ills of the past having led to what you consider to be a distinct possibility of the end of a full time professional football team in Oldham if I get your general drift. There is no doubt that the decline from 94 on was scandalous. The club surely should have been able to level off in the 2nd div and had Big Joe stayed I think we would. That said there is at least the prospect of steady but frustratingly slow progress under the present set up. I may be naaive but I believe TTA , Shez et al genuinely do want promotion. History shows that the support has always been poor, and in the long run this may be the factor that does lead to extinction as you fear. But to sarcastically compare us with Doncaster is wholly unfair. There "success" is because of loaded owners - nothing else. Without them they are non-league By comparison Latics' achievements & history are excellent. So allow those of us with hope & faith to continue with some guarded optimism. We are still in the top 6. If you are proved right in the long term fair enough. Short of a loaded arab billionaire, or me winning a 5x rollover on euromillions we have to deal with what we have got and i do not see how much more can be done than is already being done By the way does anyone hav any news about Kilkenny I, too, believe that TTA and Sheridan genuinely want promotion, although I have an inkling of doubt about some of the players. I don't believe that it is because support for this club has historically been poor that points to the demise, in the long-term, of professional football in the town. In actual fact, at certain times, support hasn't been at all bad for the size of the club and its geographical location. It is, however, the seeming inability of late to achieve the level of success that can attract new layers and a new generation of support that points in that direction, as well as the possibility that prevailing economic conditions preclude the lifeline of the stadium redevelopment. I won't sarcastically compare us with Doncaster any longer, if that's what people want, but I hope that I am allowed to continue to point out that MK Dons and Peterborough are massive and that we can't hope to compete with them. I don't see how it is within my power to not allow anything, by the way. Edited February 3, 2009 by Corporal_Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StipeTripe Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Another one of Stipe Tripe's sulks put into words. For some reason he seems to take personal offence at any hint of doubt as to the health of the club or suggestion that yet another promotion push is beginning to look unconvincing. I might not be interested in the details of what goes on at other clubs, but that doesn't mean I don't notice that other clubs manage to achieve what some on here are adamant this club is incapable of, and that is to make progress up the divisions and build their fanbase. This is somewhat different to constantly trotting out the notion that just because Blackpool (or whoever) had a bad start or a wobble and still won the play-offs a few seasons ago, this has some kind of bearing on what happens at BP. You might as well believe in the tooth fairy as see hope in this. And he's the one who speaks of complacency. ""Waits for the reply which will explain why I don't get it, not doubt delivered with the usual smug complacency."" You seldom disappoint do you ? In fact it is your only redeeming feature isn't it dreary, sorry deary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeylandLatic Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 An article by an economist, most of whom, by their own general admission called it so wrong about what lay ahead before the banking implosion it's unbelievable. A minority of them predicted it correctly, however, as, too, did some non-economists with their eyes on the ball. Personally, I prefer to listen to what those who turned out to be correct are saying about what lies ahead; almost to a man, what they predict isn't good. What's interesting is that none of these people are of the kind who might wish to see the capitalist system overturned, but the opposite: people who were deeply involved in investing, speculating and making vast amounts of money commenting and advising government and business on economic matters. Of course, the optimists are in the majority, but, as I say, they are not the ones who turned out to be right. Even your man in the quoted article admits that any recovery is some way off. And they usually advise against the assumption that, even in the event of the best of all possible outcomes, it isn't going to be a case of taking up where we left off... Instead of always posting in theory and without any facts whatsoever, do you fancy giving us the names of these people who predicted it correctly (who you are well read up on of course) and then links to the articles that show their thoughts for the future. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeylandLatic Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I don't believe that it is because support for this club has historically been poor that points to the demise, in the long-term, of professional football in the town. In actual fact, at certain times, support hasn't been at all bad for the size of the club and its geographical location. It is, however, the seeming inability of late to achieve the level of success that can attract new layers and a new generation of support that points in that direction, as well as the possibility that prevailing economic conditions preclude the lifeline of the stadium redevelopment. Once again, instead of pointing out the same thing and trotting out the same tired argument, why don't you devote some of your obviously substantial amount of free time to thinking up and suggesting some solutions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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