garcon Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Letting him go on loan (bearing in mind there may not be any permanent offers on the table anyway) does leave our options open. If consistent first team experience (in a Scottish team that isn't a complete joke) improves him - as a man and a player - then we still have the option of a better keeper coming back next season. However, I have to admit that in these circumstances I suspect he's played his last game for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny punkster Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Letting him go on loan (bearing in mind there may not be any permanent offers on the table anyway) does leave our options open. i agree.. If consistent first team experience (in a Scottish team that isn't a complete joke) improves him - as a man and a player - then we still have the option of a better keeper coming back next season. i'd wager a bet and say the quality of scottish league one isn't much of an improvement towards latics reserves league...so whats the difference between "first team experience" in a very plain league,and staying at latics,showing some bottle and fighting for your place AND getting proper specialist goalkeeping coaching. However, I have to admit that in these circumstances I suspect he's played his last game for us. i agree ...homesick IMO and at the moment he's now a very happy chappy to be back north of the border. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch_KTF Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 So what hes never really put a foot wrong thats like saying we have signed Furman as back up, as he is inexperienced (only played 30 odd games) whats the difference? He can be recalled from January onwards.... Not bothered by this move in the slightest. He caused so many goals last season. Never knew when to leave his line and come for the ball. Caused 3 penalties from what I can remember due to mix ups with the defence, Walsall away he come rushing off his line and they scored, Yeovil away him and Rubes fuc*ed up and caused a goal, sent off against Leicester away. In no mans land at home against Colchester when Platt scored. I am sure there are more if I think. He was a good shot stopper and not bad at saving penatlies but all GK's should be good shot stoppers anyway. I hoped he would come good and can see qualities in his game but i dont think he will ever erradicate his terrible decision making. You stole my thunder there NIKI! Flem did a lot of good work....and regularly ruined it all with moments of madness. I'd sooner have a steady, no frills keeper than one who makes a save for the cameras before giving away a needless pen. Good luck to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyPimp Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 have THEY seen him play yet in a proper game? Well he played in scotland for a year so I guess so who..DP saw him play in scotland?...well that was over a year ago then Dave Penney has watched virtually all last season's matches on DVD. what happens if new first teamer gets a bad injury in an upcoming friendly? Penny says Josh is doing well and could be number 2 oh dear... An experienced manager and his goalkeeping coach feel he may be ready for the step up. I'll listen to them, thanks. if he's not good enough SELL him,not loan him,and get someone who's better. the lad in the reserves isn't good enough-full stop. Cant be any worse than fleming..... What did he do well last season? he did just ok IMO..but room for improvement,room for better specialist training,a reserve team to regularly play in as opposed to last seasons farcical situation. Fleming clearly has a lot of potential but is very raw at the moment (just 40 games in his career). The goalkeeping position is very specialised and there is no substitute for experience. He'll get more of that at Dunfermline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIKI1234 Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 (edited) so,you see absolutely no room for improvement whatsoever?? I see to much room for improvement. this biggest being his decision making! he didnt learn from his mistakes last year, they just kept repeating themselves and becoming more regular. For me this will always be his problem. Good luck to the lad but I dont expect to be seeing him back at BP. I guess we would allow him to go but maybe even Dunfermline are not sure about offering a permanent deal Edited July 10, 2009 by NIKI1234 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshawlatic Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Its official, on Dunfermlines website, can't believe the OS hasn't posted anything. Bit of a joke really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Its official, on Dunfermlines website, can't believe the OS hasn't posted anything. Bit of a joke really It's absolutely disgusting. People can't find out from OS and therefore don't know from any other source. Who looks at Chron , or BBc, or OWTB ? Nobody that's who. C'mon, normally the OS gets stuff up very quickly. Today it hasn't. Not ideal but not the end of civilisation as we know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelaticsfan Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 could this possibly have anything to do with an arrangement with dunfermline? ie could there be someone at dunfermline that penney likes, and as a part of a deal loaned fleming in return for the services? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelaticsfan Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 what happens if new first teamer gets a bad injury in an upcoming friendly? Penny says Josh is doing well and could be number 2 oh dear... he could be good, if we dont give the youngsters their chance how do they make names for themselves? im sure people said the same about smalley/eards/taylor when they started, yes hes inexperienced but inexperienced and bad arent the same thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldhamSheridan Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Its official, on Dunfermlines website, can't believe the OS hasn't posted anything. Bit of a joke really Is there anyone appointed to be our WebMonkey yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeF Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 It's on the fishal now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dean 1984 Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 OS takes a swipe at OTHER media sources- the club loves the Chron at the moment But if Dunfermline had it up 1 hour ago it should be on our site at the same time- also did anyone receive text i didnt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 With a bit of a rebuff too, good that they say they only report facts, they get damned if they report something that doesn't happen and damned if they wait until it is all FACT. I bet it is a :censored: place to work BP, everything is over analysed and they can't do right for doing wrong. Roll on the start of the season when at least we can have something proper to discuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Doesn't add up? Goalkeeping coach and manager assess player. He isn't good enough at the moment for them. They sign one that is. Tell old keeper he will be backup. Old keeper wants first team football. This is granted by a loan. New backup keeper will come in, be it young lad from reserves. Adds up fine to me. Nail & Head pal! Whilst i've been surprised by it; i think it makes total sense. Brill is seen by the new regime as the #1; Fleming would be stagnating on the bench & blocking Josh O's development by playing for the ressies. Fleming goes out & gets games, plays week in week out; builds up experience & comes back to us a better player. Brill has the #1 spot; Josh O takes on the ressies goalie spot; develops in the process. If Brill gets crocked; then by that time DP & Colliett will have had time to assess if Josh O is fit to step in - if they deem the answer to be yes; then happy days. If they think he isn't quite ready; then a loan move will happen. In that circumstance; people have been quick to throw in Jan Budtz as the only example of a loan 'keeper you can bring in.......well Lee Grant, Chris Howarth & Marlon Beresford weren't too shabby were they; there will be plenty of options if that is the route we go down so DON'T PANIC!! A pretty sensibel move all in all i think for all concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenRad Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 I'll believe it when I see it on the OS. He has gone, just seen it on the website Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardy Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 OS takes a swipe at OTHER media sources- the club loves the Chron at the moment But if Dunfermline had it up 1 hour ago it should be on our site at the same time- also did anyone receive text i didnt Just so you are aware, there was a sponsors lunch at the club today, so whilst you were all sat at your desks many people at BP were trying to bring money in through Kit sponsors and match sponsors etc. So there was nobody available to jump as soon as the OFFICIAL news was broke. Also as you are all aware Stu left for pastures new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny punkster Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Whilst i've been surprised by it; i think it makes total sense. Brill is seen by the new regime as the #1; ..and what if he has some howlers early in the season? what if he gets a bad injury early in the season? is josh o ready to be number 2? Fleming would be stagnating on the bench & blocking Josh O's development by playing for the ressies. Fleming goes out & gets games, plays week in week out; builds up experience & comes back to us a better player. sounds simple doesn't it..like its set in stone..Brill has the #1 spot; Josh O takes on the ressies goalie spot; develops in the process. If Brill gets crocked; then by that time DP & Colliett will have had time to assess if Josh O is fit to step in.. what if it happens on monday night? - if they deem the answer to be yes; then happy days. If they think he isn't quite ready; then a loan move will happen. In that circumstance; people have been quick to throw in Jan Budtz as the only example of a loan 'keeper you can bring in.......well Lee Grant, Chris Howarth & Marlon Beresford weren't too shabby were they; true..but you only gets whats available...there will be plenty of options if that is the route we go down so DON'T PANIC!! A pretty sensibel move all in all i think for all concerned. all i'm saying now is i think,along with others,that we've probably seen the last of fleming. homesick. i question his fight and desire to improve , desire to knuckle down and prove DP wrong. he would have been coached better by a specialist goalie coach at BP,and hopefully his flaws would have been looked at and worked upon. he had a chance to say "no-i want to fight for my place",but he's gone home instead,stagnating in a 4th rate league,instead of trying to impress in an equal level of football (IMO) in the reserves..with the possibility of being number one(as of yet its not set in stone..is it?) and challenging if not. "first team experience"..ok ,but at what standard? will it improve him? good luck to the lad..he needs it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 If he'd been playing reserve team football last season, he may have made a different decision at this time. I think he's a good keeper ... disappointed he won't be number one next month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Just so you are aware, there was a sponsors lunch at the club today, so whilst you were all sat at your desks many people at BP were trying to bring money in through Kit sponsors and match sponsors etc. So there was nobody available to jump as soon as the OFFICIAL news was broke. Also as you are all aware Stu left for pastures new. Club Staff in "Have Meeting" Shocker Just a minute, if they were all in a meeting and therefore unable to click on the "Upload Story" button, who signed the Loan Agreement? Lois? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardy Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Club Staff in "Have Meeting" Shocker Just a minute, if they were all in a meeting and therefore unable to click on the "Upload Story" button, who signed the Loan Agreement? Lois? Now now Rick, i never said Meeting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 I might be wrong, but I don't think Stu's left yet. Nice dig in that first sentence... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticNik Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 The truth is Fleming must be pretty bad. E4e BENCH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardy Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 No Stu left on Wed, Gordon is looking after the web at the mo until a replacement is found! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futchers briefs Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 He's not had much luck really since arriving, mixture of bad luck and his own misjudgements really - a spell out on loan may give the lad some confidence back, if he improves this year, we may then want to take him back - or he might want to put himself back in the sweaty sock shop window and stay up there....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_tak Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Don't know if this has already been pointed out. "I'm hoping for a lot of activity. I want to work with a squad of around 20, plus three goalkeepers - we have already got cracking." Dave Penney Linky Could have changed his mind after seeing Fleming and Ollerenshaw in training and decided to let Fleming go and risk it. Plus points are less/freed-up wages and Ollerenshaw gets more experience. Negatives are the possibility of some other team's goalkeeping cast-off and a distinct lack of competition for Brill. I don't agree with the train of thought that the 'keeper's position is an easy one to fill and we could pick one up quite easily. A 'keeper won't come here to sit on the bench, should Penney go with Ollerenshaw if Brill gets injured and decent 'keepers won't be available. We'd probably end up with an unknown quantity from the Championship/Premiership. Hopefully, it won't come to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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