Witty Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 A lot of talk of how the player let Dickov down and how the new manager will need to come in and sort them out...or ship them out. Who in your opinion are the players who let Dickov down, some of them, all of them? Who needs to be replaced by the new manager who ever that may be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross2509 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 - Connor Brown - Lee Croft (inconsistent) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Most really, but top of my list would be Montano. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scratch2000uk Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 50+ signings by Dickov, and all of them let him down? Can you smell the bull:censored:? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fervid Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Don't have time to list the amount of underachivers we have had over the last number of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 All of them, win as a team, lose as a team but can we honestly say that ANY player BROUGHT IN during Dickov's tenure improved under his coaching methods? I can't think of one, in fact all have either stagnated or gone backwards.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 All of them, win as a team, lose as a team but can we honestly say that ANY player BROUGHT IN during Dickov's tenure improved under his coaching methods? I can't think of one, in fact all have either stagnated or gone backwards.... Matt Smith? Although, generally, I agree with your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laticacid Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Robbie Simpson biggest let down of all , but aside from baxter grounds Byrne smith and a some of the young lads who PD treated badly, the whole squad Is guilty, they have all shown there capabilities , but have been gash virtually all season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 All of them, win as a team, lose as a team but can we honestly say that ANY player BROUGHT IN during Dickov's tenure improved under his coaching methods? I can't think of one, in fact all have either stagnated or gone backwards.... Smith Mvoto Bouzy Furman improved too but he was a Penney signing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFC_22 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 I think you might disagree but Dean Furman has been very inconsistent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) Most really, but top of my list would be Montano. I suspect Montano like Simpson and maybe others have turned out when not fully fit, perhaps due to PDs reluctance to start fringe players. Edited February 5, 2013 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) Smith Mvoto Bouzy Furman improved too but he was a Penney signing M'Voto has been mostly terrible this season, Smithy I'll give you but mainly since TP came into the set up have we seen him 'putting himself about' as for Bouzy, the jury's out ATM, a lot of iffy goals are flying in at the moment - one's where they are being watched into the net.... Edited February 5, 2013 by oafcprozac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pukka Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) Kier All of them, win as a team, lose as a team but can we honestly say that ANY player BROUGHT IN during Dickov's tenure improved under his coaching methods? I can't think of one, in fact all have either stagnated or gone backwards.... Smith Mvoto Bouzanis Kieron Lee (not brought in by him, but improved under dickov) Chris Taylor (improved on the last shez year and certainly on the penney season)Overall though, I'd agree. Edited February 5, 2013 by pukka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 M'Voto has been mostly terrible this season, Smithy I'll give you but mainly since TP came into the set up have we seen him 'putting himself about' as for Bouzy, the jury's out ATM, a lot of iffy goals are flying in at the moment - one's where they are being watched into the net.... You didn't define how long for. M'voto of now is better than M'voto of summer 2010, when Dickov brought him in. He has been better than he is currently I'll grant you though. As for Bouzy again I think he's improved since last winter, when he was brought in, but I think your right about at the moment and can see the new gaffer making Cisak his number 1 again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimeblue Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) think your right about at the moment and can see the new gaffer making Cisak his number 1 again. Would be a good move imo. Never understood how Cisak was kept out. We've got 2 capable keepers in this league and we've had far worse than Bouz but he's not on a par with Cisak. Edited February 5, 2013 by longtimeblue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killens_physio Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 You didn't define how long for. M'voto of now is better than M'voto of summer 2010, when Dickov brought him in. He has been better than he is currently I'll grant you though. As for Bouzy again I think he's improved since last winter, when he was brought in, but I think your right about at the moment and can see the new gaffer making Cisak his number 1 again. I am actually amazed that Dickov didnt resort back to putting Cisak as number 1 again. After the run we had been on (not saying it was necessarily Bouzy's fault) but he is as culpable as the others for the poor form. Cisak deserved a to get a chance to see if he could help pull us out of our rapid decline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoney Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) Most of them - but if Dickov wasn't trying to be their best friends he would have bollocked them (fined them) and / or moved them on - wasn't him that said I want players that run thought brick walls for the club - I guess you did not sign many of them Paul in the end. Edited February 5, 2013 by Stoney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIKI1234 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 I think you might disagree but Dean Furman has been very inconsistent This. Furman is at his best when he is breaking up play and keeping it simple. However he ruins these positives by winning the ball and then losing it again with abysmal passing ability.Taking to long to get the ball out of his feet, trying to pass further than 5 yards. Keep it simple Dean and you are an assett. Anything else and he becomes a liabilty. Unfortunatly i think he thinks he is better than he is and he is the result of his inconsistency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laticdickovarmy Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 The list is endless but its gone lets draw a line under it we cant change what has happened If this does happen again under the new boss again huge issue but he didnt get the players to play for him Improvements were Bouzy, Lee, M'Voto, Morais, Furman, Smith & Baxter of top of my head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Oldham Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Croft is unfit. He is blowing after 60 minutes. Not good enough for a professional. He is at least a stone overweight. But then he has been continually picked so the problem has not been resolved by the management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killens_physio Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 This. Furman is at his best when he is breaking up play and keeping it simple. However he ruins these positives by winning the ball and then losing it again with abysmal passing ability.Taking to long to get the ball out of his feet, trying to pass further than 5 yards. Keep it simple Dean and you are an assett. Anything else and he becomes a liabilty. Unfortunatly i think he thinks he is better than he is and he is the result of his inconsistency He's never struck me as a natural leader on the pitch either. Not the kind of captain who will grab the game by the scuff of the neck (ala Beckham v Greece) or leading by example and battling for everything like Dux used to. Thats half our problem.........we have no voices with influence on the pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 This. Furman is at his best when he is breaking up play and keeping it simple. However he ruins these positives by winning the ball and then losing it again with abysmal passing ability.Taking to long to get the ball out of his feet, trying to pass further than 5 yards. Keep it simple Dean and you are an assett. Anything else and he becomes a liabilty. Unfortunatly i think he thinks he is better than he is and he is the result of his inconsistency Funnily enough - if you watched Dean play for Sif Ifrika then this encapsulates how he played. And was praised for doing so. One other thing - if I was Dean - I would have a five minute meeting with only players in attendance prior to tonight's game - as captain he has the right to, and should, spell it out to the team that there are no more excuses for the wretched displays in the league - time to step up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrown23 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 I'd argue Dickov let some of them down massively as well, especially the younger players who very rarely got a chance. Winchester was outstanding v Liverpool but never got given a run, Matt Smith was improving given a decent run (albeit this was enforced when Derbyshire went and had he stayed longer I doubt Smith would have played), Dan Taylor has looked fairly sharp when he's come on but, again not given a chance, I have reservations about Tarky but he's had no real chance this season, Mellor, FFS we turned down 300k from Fulham (allegedly) so he could sit on the bench?! The "undroppables" have played their part in Dickov's demise no doubt as they've simply not performed for him but I don't think we should be laying the blame squarely at the players door. As has been said before, he signed them, he trains them, he "motivates" them and quite a few have gone backwards in their progression for me. Personally, talent wise I'd say Furman, Wesolowski and Baxter as a 3 centre mids, you won't find many teams in this league with a better 3 options yet the first two have stagnated. I hope the new gaffer puts a bit of oomph into them and gets them onside. We've seen what happens if they don't turn out for you and it spells relegation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killens_physio Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 I'd argue Dickov let some of them down massively as well, especially the younger players who very rarely got a chance. Winchester was outstanding v Liverpool but never got given a run, Matt Smith was improving given a decent run (albeit this was enforced when Derbyshire went and had he stayed longer I doubt Smith would have played), Dan Taylor has looked fairly sharp when he's come on but, again not given a chance, I have reservations about Tarky but he's had no real chance this season, Mellor, FFS we turned down 300k from Fulham (allegedly) so he could sit on the bench?! The "undroppables" have played their part in Dickov's demise no doubt as they've simply not performed for him but I don't think we should be laying the blame squarely at the players door. As has been said before, he signed them, he trains them, he "motivates" them and quite a few have gone backwards in their progression for me. Personally, talent wise I'd say Furman, Wesolowski and Baxter as a 3 centre mids, you won't find many teams in this league with a better 3 options yet the first two have stagnated. I hope the new gaffer puts a bit of oomph into them and gets them onside. We've seen what happens if they don't turn out for you and it spells relegation Yes but there has also been those saying that Winchester and Taylor are too lightweight, Tarky is a liability, Mellor is too slow to be a full back, Smith wouldnt make it as a Sunday league footballer etc etc. Dickov's poor late season runs in the last two years meant that this season he didnt have the breathing space to experiment with youth and therefore relied on his main core of players to start getting results but they werent/arent, for whatever reason, interested in playing for him. Dickov's tactics howver did him no favours and in so many games this season we could all see where we were being exposed but nothing ever changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossrocks Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) I think the team have let him down collectively, this season at least. I can't think of many occasions when I've been able to single out a player as having had a shocker. I can, however, think of loads of occasions when the team collectively hasn't shown enough desire or urgency. Edited February 5, 2013 by bossrocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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