Stevie_J Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 I would also like to add that the whole perception of the Trust differs from one fan to another. In a technical sense we are what it says on the label. We are Trustees who main task should be to overlook the interests of the club. It is not really within their remit to take over the responsiblities of the "Supporters Association" who should be fullfuling tasks in ther own role whilst raising money. By default these tasks have fallen on the Trust. I could take issue with a number of points in this thread and maybe, if I find time at some point, I might bother my arse to do so. But the above paragraph in particular really jars and seems somewhat contradictory to the Trust's 'Constitution and Aims' which states that the focus of the Trust is to represent Oldham Athletic supporters. The Trust could be a great thing but, sadly, in my opinion, it's anything but. I reckon if you polled the fans as to the importance and performance of the Trust it would come out pretty bloody badly. Perhaps the way in which you apparently see the Trust's role goes some way to explaining why the Trust has become such an insignificant entity in most fans' eyes. The interests of the club are rightly important to the Trust but, if anything, this should be a secondary concern. The primary focus of a Trust is the fans and it is, by definition, a supporters' organisation. You wandered off track years ago but seem to quite like where you've ended up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinevillawill Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 (edited) If the Trust isn't willing to consider itself a true representation of the fans, then why isn't there a separate supporters association? Edited May 24, 2013 by excharnwoodlatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scratch2000uk Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Quote "The decisions made after the encroachment were made by the Board of Directors and not me personally, so why make a personal assessment" Does this mean you are the boards representative to the fans then? I would have thought that banning the culprits would seem a fairer way of dealing with the encroachment and the other misdemeanors, rather than punishing ALL the kids, for the action of a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 You're all old bastards, get in a ring and have a zimmer off You "youngens" don't know you're born! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 If the Trust isn't willing to consider itself a true representation of the fans, then why isn't their a separate supporters association? I always presumed the role of the Trust would of superseded a Supporters Association.... There does seem to be one in operation given this link... http://www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/fans/supporters-club/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 I just noticed this... Now I am confused.... http://www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/news/article/20121116-jennyw-490370.aspx Who is she ? Any ever spoken to her ? Where does Barry's role start and hers finish.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 I just noticed this... Now I am confused.... http://www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/news/article/20121116-jennyw-490370.aspx Who is she ? Any ever spoken to her ? Where does Barry's role start and hers finish.... All clubs must... Tick box exercise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 I would also like to add that the whole perception of the Trust differs from one fan to another. In a technical sense we are what it says on the label. We are Trustees who main task should be to overlook the interests of the club. It is not really within their remit to take over the responsiblities of the "Supporters Association" who should be fullfuling tasks in ther own role whilst raising money. By default these tasks have fallen on the Trust. With thanks to Stevie for highlighting this paragraph that I had not read properly when reading Barry's initial post. According to the constitution and aims on the Trust website, its efforts will be: Protecting the future of Oldham Athletic: Having a fan on the board of the club is vital in ensuring a debacle similar to that of the 'Chris Moore Era' will never happen again un-noticed. Whilst the Trust may be unable to stop such an event happening, we will be in a good position to see this happening, and have plans formulated to cope with such a situation. Representing the views of the fans: The fans are the very soul of the club - there is no doubt of that. By having a fan on the Board of Directors, the view of many Oldham Athletic fans can be aired at board-room level. The Trust will always strive to ensure that fans are treated in a fair manner, and help build a fan-friendly football club. Investing in the future of Oldham Athletic: The Trust will continue to raise funds to invest in the future development of the football club - starting at youth-team level. We will work closely with the youth set-up to help youngsters in Oldham develop their footballing talent so we can see more players like Chris Taylor, Neil Eardley, Dean Smalley and Matty Wolfenden progress into the first team. Barry, I would be grateful for confirmation as to how your 'main job of overlooking the interests of the club' fits in with the above. Does overlooking the interests mean making sure 2003 doesn't happen again? In the meantime, I remain curious and entirely unconvinced as to how, most importantly, the second point about representing the views of the fans is manifested. That is in the Trust's constitution and yet I'd be stunned if any Latics fan saw the Trust as their representatives (but will stand to be corrected if anyone wishes to do so). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 Well it was one word in huge mass of other words, so lets no overstate it all at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 (edited) Was it ? I think age is certainly a factor when selecting a leader. Its why the Tories, Liberals and Labour all have much younger leaders than in the past. While not wishing to deflect the debate in the thread too much, I look at our hip young party leaders and wonder just what the :censored: their respective parties were doing at the time. That's not to say we should all vote for the Michael Foots of his world, but age is just about the last thing to consider when selecting somebody to lead you to a "greater good". Its probably uncomfortable reality given the reaction from yourself and Barry... Are you saying its wrong for someone to feel more comfortable with someone closer to their age, background and opinions ? I'd suggest the opinions, objectives and ability to deliver on those are of more relevance when it boils down to the vote. I would imagine that if a 18 year old stood to be the fans representative on the board some people would say they where too young for their liking for many reasons. I'm actually quite interested to see how Stockport do with their 30 year old Chief Executive. I think he came in January time. He's on his third manager and taken them down to division six so far. The incompetence could have been the same from a 50 year old or a 70 old. As for an 18 year old on the board, it would be difficult to support because the life experience and acumen isn't fully developed, but if exceptional attributes are shown it's not impossible to support. Especially if he's just won the Euro Millions. Perhaps more can be done on the fans liaison front. Regular meetings with a group representing the singers, the moaners, the boring middle aged farts, the oldies. Either way, I still think you should have apologised for referring to somebody's age to imply they were unsuited for a role. Challenge, debate and criticise actions and abilities by all means. But not on the grounds of age. Edited May 24, 2013 by opinions4u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 (edited) Either way, I still think you should have apologised for referring to somebody's age to imply they were unsuited for a role. Unsuitable for the role ? Where did I say that ? If I had said that then there would certainly be a need to apologies but I didn't. What you have done is wrongly understood my point. You also silly missed the part where I praised Barry's efforts and said he should probably continue on the board regardless of what happens going forward. The reference to age was in the context of personal representation and nothing to do with ability to do the role. There is no need to apologies I feel. Edited May 24, 2013 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 (edited) Challenge, debate and criticise actions and abilities by all means. But not on the grounds of age. I don't think at any point I criticised an action and linked it to age . What I very clearly said, that I would much prefer someone closer to my age group and having come from similar walks in life when looking for a leader. I would imagine a family man of around my age with children around my age is going to have similar concerns and agenda closer to my own, for example.... Its not about ability, its about finding someone who shares your priorities. Factors such as age can play a big part in that. I would imagine a group of 18 year olds would be more drawn to a much younger representative... and a older crowd to a much older representative...r Its quite a natural thing.... Anyway I will try resist commenting further about it because its already been made into a way bigger issue than it actually is to me. Its a small factor in reality. Edited May 24, 2013 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 I just noticed this... Now I am confused.... http://www.oldhamath...nyw-490370.aspx Who is she ? Any ever spoken to her ? Where does Barry's role start and hers finish.... Fair point about the role maybe, but who is she, has anyone ever spoken to her? This perhaps highlights that you might be a bit out of touch with whats going on at Latics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 I just noticed this... Now I am confused.... http://www.oldhamath...nyw-490370.aspx Who is she ? Any ever spoken to her ? Where does Barry's role start and hers finish.... Who is she. Ha!You might want to ask O4U,( ) but not when Mrs O4U is around... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 (edited) Fair point about the role maybe, but who is she, has anyone ever spoken to her? This perhaps highlights that you might be a bit out of touch with whats going on at Latics. Very much so.... I am really out of touch and hence the question... Edited May 24, 2013 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 If the Trust isn't willing to consider itself a true representation of the fans, then why isn't there a separate supporters association? "Excuse me. Are you the Oldham Athletic Supporters Trust?" ":censored: off! We're the Supporter's Trust of Oldham Athletic!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 BARRY, THANKS FOR PUTTING THE TITLE IN CAPITALS AGAIN IN CASE PEOPLE MISSED IT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Villains Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 What we need is a voice on the board that can act as a mouthpiece for the fans. Oh. I can't believe that we've spent 200 large on a place on the board and all most of us end up doing is argue with that position. Use the position, challenge the club through that position. Do we have enough visibility of what is going on? Do we need transparency? Until we are completey unsatisfied with the way we are being represented, then and only then can we challenge the position itself. Let's make this situation better before we start all over again with someone new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_b_100 Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 "Excuse me. Are you the Oldham Athletic Supporters Trust?" ":censored: off! We're the Supporter's Trust of Oldham Athletic!" Harry that has just cost my company a new laptop ...... brilliant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossrocks Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 age is just about the last thing to consider when selecting somebody to lead you to a "greater good". You don't really think political parties make decisions based on the greater good do you? You'll be put in an asylum for even suggesting such a radical notion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 With thanks to Stevie for highlighting this paragraph that I had not read properly when reading Barry's initial post. According to the constitution and aims on the Trust website, its efforts will be: Barry, I would be grateful for confirmation as to how your 'main job of overlooking the interests of the club' fits in with the above. Does overlooking the interests mean making sure 2003 doesn't happen again? Hi Barry, Just thought I'd bump this as you haven't yet responded and didn't want you to forget about it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankly Mr Shankly Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 Thanks for enquiring how I am. Great. !!!!!!!!!. Just lookig forward to a new season and getting some new faces into the place. We need to have a long chat sometime. Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Bump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 (edited) The village was selected has it is a club partner and we hoped that by helping the club hold an scent there, more support from the Village group could be made towards the club for future events. JSS - what's this email that keeps being mentioned that needs to be answered ? Wardle - sorry for the delay in response, was on holiday from 16th and got back last night. Not an email, just queries on here. To be honest it's been quite a while so had a trawl back. This was the original query. With thanks to Stevie for highlighting this paragraph that I had not read properly when reading Barry's initial post. According to the constitution and aims on the Trust website, its efforts will be: Barry, I would be grateful for confirmation as to how your 'main job of overlooking the interests of the club' fits in with the above. Does overlooking the interests mean making sure 2003 doesn't happen again? In the meantime, I remain curious and entirely unconvinced as to how, most importantly, the second point about representing the views of the fans is manifested. That is in the Trust's constitution and yet I'd be stunned if any Latics fan saw the Trust as their representatives (but will stand to be corrected if anyone wishes to do so). What followed was a game of cat and mouse in which Barry never responded and despite me bumping the thread and commenting in other threads that he not only posted in or started himself but posted in after I had posted, he never provided a response. Eventually, after I commented in another thread that he doesn't engage, he posted the following: I always engaged. I just happen to be on holiday in the I.O.W. Latics fans on the island please get in touch again . Will meet up. Festival great. Killers tonight were fantastic. Contrary to opinions of some,still life in the old dog. No seriously, if you ain't been to the I .O.W festival try and fit it in. Great for the kids as well. Will answer your queries on return. I said I looked forward to receiving a response when he was back. Again, despite posting elsewhere and me posting in those threads, not a sausage in response to the initial queries of two months ago. Edited July 24, 2013 by jsslatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Messing up the multi post system there and managed to reply in the wrong thread! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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