24hoursfromtulsehill Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 The constant secrecy from fans aswell. Like we can't handle the truth because we're beneath them, :censored: off. There's something in that. It's not a democracy but...whatever happened to the fan on the board ? The transparency is somewhat worse now than it was when Barry was the board fan...and that's saying something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 If you can't identify with a kit matching the most successful kit in the clubs history then that ain't going to happen. I don't identify with a kit from the 60s by the way. A small issue & the very least of our worries Not in my eyes, I want to see a club with some idenity, not a replica kit of others. I'm talking of the future of course, Obviously it cant be now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Not in my eyes, I want to see a club with some idenity, not a replica kit of others. I'm talking of the future of course, Obviously it cant be now. Which others? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusunga_Is_God Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 What secrecy from fans? Has there been a FULL explanation of the stand not being ready..? Maybe box holders have been individually contacted. Also all the christmas dues what's going to happen to them! Just amateur hour all over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusunga_Is_God Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Jim Harvey... Secrecy 'didnt fit into our plans' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Has there been a FULL explanation of the stand not being ready..? Maybe box holders have been individually contacted. Also all the christmas dues what's going to happen to them! Just amateur hour all over. Were you supposed to be on a Xmas doo in the new stand? If not why would they tell you anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmr Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Players and staff not getting paid, funds for north stand being used to pay other things. Hardly a recipe for success or harmony is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pukka Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 The kit is the first one I have "identified" with in a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Valentine Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 I have always prided myself on my support for MY home town, team and club. When I first started following Oldham Athletic I could have easily chosen Liverpool or Everton the two top teams of the time. Or perhaps gone following United or City, both were in the doldrums but both were relatively cheap and all my mates followed one or the other. But, No. I chose my dads team Oldham Athletic. The team I fell in love with prided themselves on being a family club with a loyal fanbase that had been brought up on attacking football. Theyd been struggling in the second tier for 12 years but had always tried to play the right way and the number one aim was to entertain. Football like it or not is an entertainment business and the number one aim is goals. I was lucky I began supporting the team in 1986 and for the next eight years or so it was thrills and spills all the way, there were a couple of poor periods in late 1987 and late 1988 but overall the team won the majority of its home games, ok we were crap away but week after week you were guaranteed goals at Boundary Park. Another thing, the directors were local men, the players were contracted to the club and we had stability with a management team that wanted to win football matches played the right way. The ground was a dump, we didnt care it was ours and we were all in it together from the chairman to the tea lady. Fast forward to the summer of 2003, my darkest days as a Latics fan but also some of the best. I was proud to be a Latics fan seeing how we rallied round and pulled together to try and save our club, the togetherness I felt in that 2003/04 season is something that will live with me forever. We knew the good times were well and truly behind us and the club was fighting for its very existence. Luckily three New York Businessmen rode in and saved the club from oblivion. They had great ideas to move the club forward, yet were halted and then delayed by a council lacking vision. Still we began to move forward on the pitch and between 2005-09 we saw FOUR consecutive top ten finishes which saw the club in a good place and consistently in the right half of the league. However, eventually those frustrations off the field resulted in the Chairman walking away and around the same time saw John Sheridan sacked. Ever since our fortunes on the field have nosedived, the fanbase has become demoralised and half of those fans that worked so hard to keep the club afloat in 2003, the same fans that were simply happy to have a club have walked away. Washing their hands of a club that is only heading one way. It wont happen They say, well ask Grimsby Town, Tranmere Rovers, Stockport County, Lincoln City, Wrexham etc. all similar sized clubs to us these days. Well it happened to them! With each cock up we inch closer to oblivion. 2015 has been a nightmare for Oldham Athletic Ched Evans Saga. Were these the actions of a family club, one I and my kids proudly support? Lee Johnson to Barnsley. He was under contract, he stays until the end of the season. THE CLUB COMES FIRST. Dean Holden being placed in charge. Just what was the plan here? IT smacked of little Oldham giving up and part of the reason we have only 3 wins in 28 league games. An unforgivable lack of ambition. Darren Kelly A joke of an appointment handled pathetically and stinks of rying to save a few quid. Re-signing: Croft and Wellens Both well past it jobs for the boys and obvious external interference. Dunn: A mistake from the start. The Stand: It should have been OAFCs moment to savour, it should be Simon Corneys legacy. Instead it will be remembered for delay after delay. It feels like an anti-climax when it should be celebrated for the wonderful achievement it is! Barry Owen: Need I say any more? I know times have changed in football and many clubs of our size live hand to mouth, I can cope with that. Thats the reality of 3rd tier football however, the clubs very identity is at stake. A procession of loanees year on year kills any affinity people feel with the club. I assure you that, the team yesterday would not have witnessed such vitriol if it wasn't so top heavy with loanees and short term deals. Fans can see when players are holding back and not giving their all. That is a bare minimum we expect. Oldham is a hard working town but not a well paid town. £22 + travel + refreshments is a large chunk of your average Oldhamers income, they deserved more yesterday. I can honestly say in my 30 years of supporting the cub I have never felt so detached from the club, The fans, owners, directors, management, coaches and players have never felt so distant. Why? Well just what is our aim as a club? What is the vision to move the club forward? What is the vision to make the club sustainable in a way that will see crowds improve? Some fans are gone for good BUT there is a big interest in the club in Oldham, many fans cant afford it or are lapsed but a modicum of success or even consistent attacking football will see people return. Make the product marketable with a team the fans can identify in and some will return. How do we change things and move forward? (1) Have an owner that is either here more often or delegates true power to the board can the present directors be trusted to do this?! If not show true desire to find a viable owner that can do the above. (2) Develop a manageable vision statement how the club will move forward in the next THREE to FIVE years (3) Employ a manager and coaching team with an ethos of attacking and scoring goals not simply to go out and not lose. Like it or not this has been the ethos of our last FOUR full time managers. (4) Insist home grown talent gets a chance on merit. Contracted players are OUR players so why the need for a constant stream of short term deals and loanees? Emergency loans should be just that. Not used as an excuse to bin the previous managers contracted players. (5) Reintroduce reserve team football to help develop our own players and keep the squad fit. (6) Stop treating the fans like idiots with the constant criticism in the press. I do have sympathy for a lot of what Simon Corney has had to put up with in the last 6 years since his partners pulled out but if we keep with the present board we will continue to stagnate and slip towards oblivion. I know Simon doesnt want that and Im sure one day he will be very proud of his legacy the North Stand. Will he be as proud to see us struggling in league 2 next season, because with the current board and management structure it is inevitable? I feel we have reached a tipping point over the last few weeks, fans are voting with their feet the Millwall attendance will be sub 3,000 I guarantee it. After what I have seen at Chesterfield and yesterday with fans arguing with themselves and the reaction the players got. You know what I simply dont want to be part of such a toxic set up. So with a heavy heart Im going to take a break from following the team I love away from home initially, until I see a change in atmosphere and maybe even home games too, season tickets or not. I know I'm not alone, there's a close group of about ten of us that go everywhere that number has dwindled massively over the last month - many of us have missed only 6 games or so in the last three years and when lunatics like us are fed up and walking away, I really do think it is time to sit up and take notice. Excellent post. I was one of the 30 or so that hired a coach and went down to Torex in Banbury to remonstrate with that :censored: Chris Moore back in 2003 and the feeling I have now is not too dis-similar to how I felt back then. As much as I appreciate what Simon Corney and his mates have done since those dark days I feel it's time for us loyal fans to get together and do something? How much would it cost for a supporter buy-out and is it possible? Yesterday was the straw that broke the camels back for me, sack the board! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Excellent post. I was one of the 30 or so that hired a coach and went down to Torex in Banbury to remonstrate with that :censored: Chris Moore back in 2003 and the feeling I have now is not too dis-similar to how I felt back then. As much as I appreciate what Simon Corney and his mates have done since those dark days I feel it's time for us loyal fans to get together and do something? How much would it cost for a supporter buy-out and is it possible? Yesterday was the straw that broke the camels back for me, sack the board! £6m or thereabouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted November 29, 2015 Author Share Posted November 29, 2015 (edited) A supporter buy out would be a disaster, look at Stockport and how it helped them. What we need is a plan from the board of how they are going to move this club forward. Aiming for 20th in League One every year, surviving thanks to a procession of loanees is not the way forward. If the present board can't come up with a plan then do the decent thing. Sell the club for a fair price to new responsible owners not lunatics like Vaughan or Koukash. I'm not looking for a billionaire simply someone with the fire in their belly to create stability and a plan to get the club regularly back in the top 10 of the division, with a real tilt at promotion over the next 3-5 years. Walsall, Gillingham, Burton - even Rochdale have managed momentum over the last few years. I'm not looking for Bury's approach as they'll be bust in 18 months with their current model. But Walsall, Burton and Gillingham have a stable playing staff and manager. I'm not against cashing in on a player or two as long as that money is reinvested on FULL TIME replacements not loanees. Short-termism is killing the club. There needs to be a plan.... If the current board can't give us progression, then we need a board that can. BUT a supporter buy out would be lunacy. David Brierley consciously advertised the club's sale in the broadsheets back in 2001, if the current board are actively looking to sell then perhaps rather than stating the club is up for sale perhaps they need to market it better and advertise that fact? Edited November 29, 2015 by oafcprozac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Valentine Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 2 grand each then, I'm in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted November 29, 2015 Author Share Posted November 29, 2015 (edited) My worry is that this year is mirroring what happened to Tranmere over the previous 3 or 4 years. An increasingly disaffected owner's crazy experiment with Barnes and MacAteer then their Physio, then an absolute no-one. Sandwiched in their sacking of Ronnie before finally seeing sense and appointing Adams. By then though the damage was terminal. And the owner sells to a new owner without a pot to pee in - Palios. The formula results in mid-table in the Conference.... Edited November 29, 2015 by oafcprozac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Valentine Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 In the meantime, who's up for a trip to New York to burn an effigy outside the offices of the current owner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusunga_Is_God Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Were you supposed to be on a Xmas doo in the new stand? If not why would they tell you anything? Maybe if you were an interested fan to see when we can use the bar..???!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeylandLatic Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 I may get slaughtered for this but who cares. Obviously I still have an interest but I felt pretty much this way back in 2003 and the reason I felt this way was nothing to do with owners, directors, chairmen or players. It was to do with the fans. It was the reaction that I saw when SAFE was having a go and the reason I felt that way was the propensity of fans to sit on message boards behind pseudonyms and criticise, criticise, snipe a bit and then criticise some more without doing anything about it themselves. It has carried on and on through the sorry history of the trust where doubtless many people had good intentions but got little support and plenty of criticism and it carries on now with the keyboard warriors criticising everything and doing nothing (that is not aimed at anything on this thread by the way). I recall lots of threads talking about starting a new club if it came to that but have no memory of anyone ever saying that they would actually do it and I recall lots of threads filled with people criticising trust directors but rarely were there volunteers to actually do anything constructive. There is a recurring theme here and this board is part of it as it is even during decent time it is filled with carping comments and selfish whinges rather than anything constructive, useful or even witty (one or two poster excepted) And yes, over the last year I do think that the board has made an almighty cock of things. Endemic in society as a whole really. People complain about the immoral actions of our Government on all sorts of issues but never do anything about it, just vote for the other lot the next time round and the charade rolls on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAV Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 My worry is that this year is mirroring what happened to Tranmere . The formula results in mid-table in the Conference.... My thoughts exactly. I'm already looking at division 4 and the conference to see eho maybe staying down or coming up.... its November ffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeylandLatic Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 I've said this on here before, but as a 24 year old supporter I just don't see the point in going. I've seen absolutely sod all success whilst I've been supporting this club which I love to my bare bones (for some insane reason) I'm not interested in climbing the leagues or setting the cups on fire, I just want to see 11 players who will put their all in for the shirt. The only one I see doing that is Liam Kelly but there's only so much sideways passing can do. The greatest professional I've ever seen play for this club was Paul Warne. :censored: me that bloke ran his goddamn socks off every second of every game. Why? Because he :censored:ing cared. This current group of players aren't even fit to pull on our shirt if that sorry display yesterday was all they could muster against, let's be fair, a terrible crewe side. My point being is this: I know of 4 people personally that have :censored:ed latics off and started supporting city, and whilst I find this abhorrent and treacherous, can you really blame them? This club Is in my blood and I wouldn't even consider switching my allegiances, but I'm so disinterested in the club after this shambolic season that I just don't give a :censored: anymore. That was my last game for a long time I think. I work 45 hours a week in a Wetherspoons for minimum wage, £20 is a chunk of my wage for me when all my bill come out. This club is dying a death and in my opinion, things will only start getting better with a new board/set of owners. How that's going to happen I don't know, and I just don't care. Finding it very difficult to keep the faith Great point in that, :censored: wages for the average fan working a long week propping up the absurd wages of a bunch of thick blokes kicking a bag of air about on a lawn - half of which couldn't give a toss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobOAFC Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Has there been a FULL explanation of the stand not being ready..? Maybe box holders have been individually contacted. Also all the christmas dues what's going to happen to them! Just amateur hour all over. Does there need to be a full explanation to everyone? We know there was an issue with connecting the electricity etc which caused a delay in finishing some work, however fans who bought standard seats are now in. I'd be surprised if the club hasn't been in contact with box holders and OEC with those who have Christmas dues. But does that require a full public statement? No. The Christmas dues are OEC business, not Oldham Athletic. So who gives a statement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobOAFC Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 There's something in that. It's not a democracy but...whatever happened to the fan on the board ? The transparency is somewhat worse now than it was when Barry was the board fan...and that's saying something. Is that an Oldham Athletic or Trust Oldham issue? Update from fan on the board was given on 16th November on the Trust Oldham website - http://www.trustoldham.co.uk/trust-board-representative-update/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Prozac makes some good points and reflects much of what I've thought for a long while. Sadly though, the Board at Latics don't give a :censored: was us paupers think. For evidence of the regard in which they hold us lot refer back to events such as the Barry bollockings dished out after the annual end-of-season pitch invasions; Corney having a go at the fans for not turning up; Ched Evans; Barry's appointment to the Board following his resignation as Trust Chairman; the new badge; selling season tickets for a stand that they never had a hope of opening in time; Barry threatening legal action against OWTB; blaming negative fans for :censored: performances... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Maybe if you were an interested fan to see when we can use the bar..???!!! I still fail to see how that effects your Xmas do that's not even at the club! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvlatic Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 And why did they stop playing 'mouldy old dough'? That was part and parcel of the pre match ritual...let's have it back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 2 grand each then, I'm in.About £1m for each fan that will contribute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 (edited) People still think the delay in the stand was the electricity? Ffs. You'll have to look at the board members of the company running the construction to see why Latics haven't been too critical of this shambolic build. If you don't know where to look do a quick check on which companies Simon Corney is on the board of. The original post may be the best post that's been put on this site. Time for the fans to wake up now. Latics have paid for a stand we don't own. The profits of functions etc seem to go into a different company as well. We've broken even (ish) in a few of the recent seasons through cup runs and the odd sale despite the stand saga. If we can bin Corney off and get the ground back then I'm all for it. If we can't get the ground back and the money the new stand will make we're screwed. Edited November 29, 2015 by Clifford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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