simplythemostimportantkick Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, mikejh45 said: How many times are you going to use an alleged incident to suit your argument? I don't think I have come across any other poster who mentions this. We are 8 weeks on from Exeter and this story remains a story. He does it a lot. He’s very bad4it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad4it Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Just now, simplythemostimportantkick said: He does it a lot. He’s very bad4it And here the reason why (though not sure why it should be such a contentious issues) ... Allegedly used to convey that something is claimed to be the case or have taken place, although there is no proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejh45 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, mad4it said: I use the word allegedly because it wasn’t there to witness the incident, and those that were haven’t publicly commented on it. So from what you are saying it might not have happened in which case you can't use it as a weapon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Not sure where this Bunn had a massive budget "fact" stems from. We signed the likes of Coke and O'Grady because we couldn't afford anyone else, surely? Being unable to pay wages a few months later would also suggest there was next to no money knocking about.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorvik_latic Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 43 minutes ago, JoeP said: Not sure where this Bunn had a massive budget "fact" stems from. First I've seen of it today. It's absolute bullshit, the budget is the lowest it's been in years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad4it Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, mikejh45 said: So from what you are saying it might not have happened in which case you can't use it as a weapon. Never used it as a weapon, but if you’re honest , bunns sacking (whether you like him or not) was harsh , and there had to be more to the picture than just one bad result. No doubt, when former players and employees, like Davies, Gerrard and the kitman tell their stories , the truth will be out , and as they say ..there’s no smoke without fire Edited February 21, 2019 by mad4it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejh45 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 The basis of your argument is totally unbalanced and one-sided. I didn't think Bunn was a good manager. Football was poor to average and too defensive.....almost getting knocked out in the FA first round. Why is it that the two players you named both had an axe to grind after throwing their football toys out of the pram......both have been unprofessional throughout their careers which makes their stories less than believable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 hour ago, mikejh45 said: So from what you are saying it might not have happened in which case you can't use it as a weapon. What are you saying? That all the stories about AL are false and people are making them up for a bit of a laugh? The only thing that seems more chaotic on the pitch at Latics is what's happening off the pitch. You could put Bunn, Scholes or Guardiola in - they'll all end up going the same way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejh45 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 minute ago, JoeP said: What are you saying? That all the stories about AL are false and people are making them up for a bit of a laugh? The only thing that seems more chaotic on the pitch at Latics is what's happening off the pitch. You could put Bunn, Scholes or Guardiola in - they'll all end up going the same way. Where did I say they are false....all I've said there are two sides to a story. You believe them if you want, that is your prerogative...….I'll just hold back for a bit longer until the full story comes out. You maybe right and I could be wrong in which case I'll hold my hands up but until that point, I'll play devils advocate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad4it Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 hour ago, mikejh45 said: The basis of your argument is totally unbalanced and one-sided. I didn't think Bunn was a good manager. Football was poor to average and too defensive.....almost getting knocked out in the FA first round. Why is it that the two players you named both had an axe to grind after throwing their football toys out of the pram......both have been unprofessional throughout their careers which makes their stories less than believable. Prior to the Carlisle game , we had started to play some decent football, we beat Bury 4-2, should have got at least draw against Exeter, and had couple of refereeing decisions gone our way in other games we would have been challenging for the top 3. Clearly(in my opinion) what is happening behind the scenes is having an impact on the players . The owner (or his brother) dictating who plays and who doesn’t , signing players from the bottom of the French lower leagues and paying them far much more than they’re actually worth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 I’ll admit AL’s approach has been a little unconventional but it was his money he was spending and he probably did so with good intentions.....to be honest I would rather have Sylah, Nepomuceno, Branger and Maouche over Miller, Coke, O’Grady and Taylor any day of the week. I don’t think Scholes will put up with any ‘meddling’ so safe to say our recruitment should generally be a whole lot better. Whats happened in the past is in the past and going over it time and time again is not going to help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Bunn was getting results, I’d have stuck with him till at least the end of the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejh45 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 12 minutes ago, mad4it said: Prior to the Carlisle game , we had started to play some decent football, we beat Bury 4-2, should have got at least draw against Exeter, and had couple of refereeing decisions gone our way in other games we would have been challenging for the top 3. Clearly(in my opinion) what is happening behind the scenes is having an impact on the players . The owner (or his brother) dictating who plays and who doesn’t , signing players from the bottom of the French lower leagues and paying them far much more than they’re actually worth As I've said before and I'm sticking with this.....we were crap with Bunn and Rhodes. Performances picked up with Wragg coming in but Bunn was still too defensive and negative. We'll just have to disagree on value that Bunn brought to the team. As for the foreign players, there were 4 in the mix in December. I don't think that many would argue that Maouche, Missilou and Nepomaceno are worth their places in the starting line and I would certainly add Branger also. So your last statement is a bit fatuous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusunga_Is_God Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) Bunn's football made me want to die and I never had confidence in him. I can only credit him for ensuring we won't get relegated which im sure was the brief he thought he had to deliver. The owner is clearly a mad man so there would never be any pleasing him. Edited February 21, 2019 by Kusunga_Is_God Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad4it Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 hour ago, mikejh45 said: As I've said before and I'm sticking with this.....we were crap with Bunn and Rhodes. Performances picked up with Wragg coming in but Bunn was still too defensive and negative. We'll just have to disagree on value that Bunn brought to the team. As for the foreign players, there were 4 in the mix in December. I don't think that many would argue that Maouche, Missilou and Nepomaceno are worth their places in the starting line and I would certainly add Branger also. So your last statement is a bit fatuous. That’s your opinion which you are entitled to and I have mine which I’m also entitled to. If you look at the team has been set up by both Pete Wild and Paul Scholes it not s whole lot different than how Frankie Bunn up his teams, and there is a reason for this , we don’t have (or didn’t have) the players to play fast flowing attacking football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejh45 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 hour ago, mad4it said: That’s your opinion which you are entitled to and I have mine which I’m also entitled to. If you look at the team has been set up by both Pete Wild and Paul Scholes it not s whole lot different than how Frankie Bunn up his teams, and there is a reason for this , we don’t have (or didn’t have) the players to play fast flowing attacking football May not be different starting 11 but there was a stark difference in attitude from Bunn"s last match to Wild"s first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad4it Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, mikejh45 said: May not be different starting 11 but there was a stark difference in attitude from Bunn"s last match to Wild"s first. Not really, look at the stats for the Carlisle game , they had a day when everything they hit, came off - 9 shots 7 on target 6 goals v our 9 shots 1 on target Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejh45 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 58 minutes ago, mad4it said: Not really, look at the stats for the Carlisle game , they had a day when everything they hit, came off - 9 shots 7 on target 6 goals v our 9 shots 1 on target Hang on......what's your argument now? You posted on page12 that it was a crap performance against Carlisle. Now you are saying, what appears to be, that Carlisle were lucky. So how do you explain the turnaround from losing at Carlisle under Bunn (who some people think was a popular manager with the players) to winning away at Port Vale with virtually the same team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad4it Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 I didn’t say it wasn’t a crap performance or that Carlisle we’re lucky , I said that they scored with almost every shot they had, and implied that we didn’t deserve to lose by 6 goals . How do you explain the result against Bury if Bunn (and to an extent the performance against Exeter ) was such an unpopular manager and as a team they played far worse against Macclesfield than they did against Carlisle , the performances against Crewe and Morecambe (considering that players normally run through brick walls to impress a new manager) weren’t that sparkling either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, mikejh45 said: May not be different starting 11 but there was a stark difference in attitude from Bunn"s last match to Wild"s first. Stark difference to how we played against Bury at home, Crewe away, Tranmere away etc and how we’ve played in the last 2 games under PS and against Forest Green and Macc under Wild... Absolute tosh that Bunn was an overly negative manager. Anyway, we’ve got Scholesy now and need to back him... Edited February 22, 2019 by Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 2 hours ago, mikejh45 said: Hang on......what's your argument now? You posted on page12 that it was a crap performance against Carlisle. Now you are saying, what appears to be, that Carlisle were lucky. So how do you explain the turnaround from losing at Carlisle under Bunn (who some people think was a popular manager with the players) to winning away at Port Vale with virtually the same team? Carlisle are a miles better side than Vale? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejh45 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 7 hours ago, Ryan said: Stark difference to how we played against Bury at home, Crewe away, Tranmere away etc and how we’ve played in the last 2 games under PS and against Forest Green and Macc under Wild... Absolute tosh that Bunn was an overly negative manager. Anyway, we’ve got Scholesy now and need to back him... You may not agree with me regarding Bunn and his negativity but I stand by it. He kept both our best attacking midfielders in Maouche and Baxter on the bench and only brought on the former once injuries kicked in. Scholes has now got Baxter heading back to playing to his former standards. He kept Nepomaceno on the bench in an either/or choice with Branger. Wild made a tactical decision, which worked, by playing both. Bunn played a rigid 442 for a large part of the season. I agree, we have Scholes and he has my full backing (I'm sure when he reads this at 8.30 am...….he will be immensely relieved) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejh45 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 7 hours ago, Ryan said: Carlisle are a miles better side than Vale? Not arguing with that but are you asking for an opinion or stating a point. I am saying that after a 6-0 pasting by Carlisle and losing Bunn in such dramatic circumstances to then bring in the stand-in academy manager, who had little involvement with the first team squad up to this point, and then get a win was an achievement in itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 43 minutes ago, mikejh45 said: I agree, we have Scholes and he has my full backing (I'm sure when he reads this at 8.30 am...….he will be immensely relieved) As are we all Mike, as are we all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejh45 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 13 minutes ago, TheBigDog said: As are we all Mike, as are we all... I'd love to come back with a witty retort......but I'm heartily laughing here. B*stard!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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