Abdallahs latest act of cowardice

[redlion]

12 hours ago, rudemedic said:

Possibly. But the last 2 club doctors and the bloke who occasionally covered for Dr Kelso all had full time jobs in the NHS, they managed it. That being said European Working Time wasn’t always a thing and doctors weren’t required to have a full scope of practice appraisal either. 
 

Having 2 means it is more likely one will be free for advice. A full time job as a doctor in the NHS is 48 hours / week. That’s the equivalent of an extra day and a bit for most of us. 

A lot of doctors don't work full time. Many GP's for instance may only do two days a week in a surgery and then pick up extra shifts outside the NHS as and when they feel the need.

[L1onheartNew]

On 12/24/2021 at 12:53 AM, GlossopLatic said:

 

Is Mandy single?

Just like the girl; in Dr. No, no, no, no

[Monty Burns]

35 minutes ago, L1onheartNew said:

Just like the girl; in Dr. No, no, no, no

think youre mixin up Mandy with Mendy

[L1onheartNew]

4 hours ago, Monty Burns said:

think youre mixin up Mandy with Mendy

 

Ha! I miss Mendy. There's nothing on this forum these days...

[Pidge]

On 12/25/2021 at 1:13 AM, rudemedic said:

Possibly. But the last 2 club doctors and the bloke who occasionally covered for Dr Kelso all had full time jobs in the NHS, they managed it. That being said European Working Time wasn’t always a thing and doctors weren’t required to have a full scope of practice appraisal either. 
 

Having 2 means it is more likely one will be free for advice. A full time job as a doctor in the NHS is 48 hours / week. That’s the equivalent of an extra day and a bit for most of us. 

The previous club Doctors were all GP partners. They were self employed, and hence without a boss to answer to. They will have arranged to have Doctor partners to cover any emergencies while they deal with an ill player.

 

The present doctors are paid to work in a hospital, full time. They will not able to just drop what they are doing to deal with an ill Oldham player.  If I’m paying you to work, I’m not happy if you work for someone else during my time!

[rudemedic]

On 12/27/2021 at 8:50 PM, Pidge said:

The previous club Doctors were all GP partners. They were self employed, and hence without a boss to answer to. They will have arranged to have Doctor partners to cover any emergencies while they deal with an ill player.

 

The present doctors are paid to work in a hospital, full time. They will not able to just drop what they are doing to deal with an ill Oldham player.  If I’m paying you to work, I’m not happy if you work for someone else during my time!

The first paragraph is true to a point. Since at least 2012 all doctors have had to declare any work, they do that requires their licence to practice as part of their annual appraisal. It wouldn't surprise me if previously all players were added to the GP's practice list so dealing with a injured / ill player was like dealing with anyone else ill / injured. 

 

The second paragraph isn't. One of our club doctors is working at a hospital. Although it will depend on their contract how much they are working, could easily be less than full time giving them time to do other work, like working for us. 

 

The second club doctor is presumably* on a recognised training programme, as they are presumably a GP Trainee, they could easily be working the usual Mon to Friday for a GP practice, which is what GP Trainees do when they get to their final year of training. They are then free to do other work for other employers, like most doctors in training. There are guidelines to be followed to do other work but the fact that the other employer is a football club doesn't really matter. 

 

Again all doctors can do other work outside their contracted hours but any work they do that requires a licence to practice must be declared as part of their annual appraisal. Doctors are not supposed to exceed the maximum of an average of 48 hours a week over a 13 week period either. 

 

* This is based on the balance of probabilities of all doctors with that name (or slight variations) on the GMC register. 

[BP1960]

9 hours ago, rudemedic said:

The first paragraph is true to a point. Since at least 2012 all doctors have had to declare any work, they do that requires their licence to practice as part of their annual appraisal. It wouldn't surprise me if previously all players were added to the GP's practice list so dealing with a injured / ill player was like dealing with anyone else ill / injured. 

 

The second paragraph isn't. One of our club doctors is working at a hospital. Although it will depend on their contract how much they are working, could easily be less than full time giving them time to do other work, like working for us. 

 

The second club doctor is presumably* on a recognised training programme, as they are presumably a GP Trainee, they could easily be working the usual Mon to Friday for a GP practice, which is what GP Trainees do when they get to their final year of training. They are then free to do other work for other employers, like most doctors in training. There are guidelines to be followed to do other work but the fact that the other employer is a football club doesn't really matter. 

 

Again all doctors can do other work outside their contracted hours but any work they do that requires a licence to practice must be declared as part of their annual appraisal. Doctors are not supposed to exceed the maximum of an average of 48 hours a week over a 13 week period either. 

 

* This is based on the balance of probabilities of all doctors with that name (or slight variations) on the GMC register. 

 

So our players are in effect treated on the NHS @rudemedic?

I can't see AL paying for private treatment. 

I can just imagine our players having to arrange a telephone call with the the GP after being told face to face appointments aren't possible.

You personally do a great job btw, always good to hear your advice when I see you at matches.

 

[Chaddyexile84]

35 minutes ago, BP1960 said:

 

So our players are in effect treated on the NHS @rudemedic?

I can't see AL paying for private treatment. 

I can just imagine our players having to arrange a telephone call with the the GP after being told face to face appointments aren't possible.

You personally do a great job btw, always good to hear your advice when I see you at matches.

 

I imagine private treatment is covered by their insurance 

 

AL must pay that, he has no choice 

[rudemedic]

1 hour ago, BP1960 said:

 

So our players are in effect treated on the NHS @rudemedic?

I can't see AL paying for private treatment. 

I can just imagine our players having to arrange a telephone call with the the GP after being told face to face appointments aren't possible.

You personally do a great job btw, always good to hear your advice when I see you at matches.

 

I have no idea, I’d imagine players either have their own GP or get registered with the practice associated with one of Oldham’s doctors (technically we have 3, as there’s a crowd doctor). But this might well be on a “private” basis. 
 

There may be a practice which registers patients privately in the NW, and our players may end up being registered there, as part of the insurance process.
 

It’s all a bit of a non-issue as unless it’s an illness that requires treatment most of the reason why a footballer needs medical treatment can be diagnosed by a number of qualified staff, especially physiotherapists. So if a player needs a scan or an operation these are done privately anyway. The same would be available for anyone who can afford it, or has the necessary insurance. 
 

All that being said when I was in a specific sports injury clinic as part of my training the doctor was pretty irritated that a patient who was a semi-professional sports person had waited in the NHS waiting list as opposed to being seen more quickly because of livelihood reasons.

 

PS Please don’t take my advice over seeing an actual doctor / registered health professional. 

[Pidge]

1 hour ago, Chaddyexile84 said:

I imagine private treatment is covered by their insurance 

 

AL must pay that, he has no choice 

GP treatment is not covered. That is what the club Doctors do. Only when they are referred on to a specialist is it covered by the insurance policy.

[Pidge]

11 hours ago, rudemedic said:

The first paragraph is true to a point. Since at least 2012 all doctors have had to declare any work, they do that requires their licence to practice as part of their annual appraisal. It wouldn't surprise me if previously all players were added to the GP's practice list so dealing with a injured / ill player was like dealing with anyone else ill / injured. 

 

The second paragraph isn't. One of our club doctors is working at a hospital. Although it will depend on their contract how much they are working, could easily be less than full time giving them time to do other work, like working for us. 

 

The second club doctor is presumably* on a recognised training programme, as they are presumably a GP Trainee, they could easily be working the usual Mon to Friday for a GP practice, which is what GP Trainees do when they get to their final year of training. They are then free to do other work for other employers, like most doctors in training. There are guidelines to be followed to do other work but the fact that the other employer is a football club doesn't really matter. 

 

Again all doctors can do other work outside their contracted hours but any work they do that requires a licence to practice must be declared as part of their annual appraisal. Doctors are not supposed to exceed the maximum of an average of 48 hours a week over a 13 week period either. 

 

* This is based on the balance of probabilities of all doctors with that name (or slight variations) on the GMC register. 

Rudi, you are right for the match day cover, I was really talking about a player becoming ill during a working day etc.  Do you really think if an NHS doctor is in the middle of a clinic or ward round they can just stop their normal work and deal with the ill player?

[BP1960]

1 hour ago, Pidge said:

GP treatment is not covered. That is what the club Doctors do. Only when they are referred on to a specialist is it covered by the insurance policy.

 

No wonder some players have been out for a long time if they have to wait yonks for GP face to face appointments like we do.

[Chaddyexile84]

1 hour ago, Pidge said:

GP treatment is not covered. That is what the club Doctors do. Only when they are referred on to a specialist is it covered by the insurance policy.

 

19 minutes ago, BP1960 said:

 

No wonder some players have been out for a long time if they have to wait yonks for GP face to face appointments like we do.

They won’t - the day to day stuff is covered by the physios who also do any referrals 

 

The club doctors are only there on match days 

[BP1960]

4 hours ago, Chaddyexile84 said:

 

They won’t - the day to day stuff is covered by the physios who also do any referrals 

 

The club doctors are only there on match days 

 

Have got a physio now, we always seem to be advertising for them?

 

[100milesaway]

3 hours ago, BP1960 said:

 

Have got a physio now, we always seem to be advertising for them?

 

 

3 hours ago, BP1960 said:

 

Have got a physio now, we always seem to be advertising for them?

 

Also got two psychopaths.  

[Pidge]

19 hours ago, Chaddyexile84 said:

 

They won’t - the day to day stuff is covered by the physios who also do any referrals 

 

The club doctors are only there on match days 

Mostly right as the Doctors are part time only, however the the Physio needs to be able to ask a doctor to see the players if they have a medical condition, chest infection for example.  referral to a cardiologist for example would have to be from a Doctor.